[K-Dog]

Of course, as this becomes more pervasive, law & order will break down and it will be pretty anarchic.  The Death Rate will soar and murder and cannibalism will be common.  Disease will spread like wildfire and only hospitals for the rich will still have electricity.  Poor people will be rounded up and transferred to Death Camps where they will be euthanized via Nitrogen asphyxiation, the corpse sterilized then processed to make Soylent Green wafers.  So it will be a little different than the Middle Ages.

https://www.ecoticias.com/en/next-drought-not-water-technology-energy/4989/

The next drought will not be a water drought, but worse: experts are already talking about a return to the Middle Ages

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If there is cannibalism going on the rich have already been eaten.

[K-Dog]

Seriously, a house of cards surrounds rich living.  There will be no supply chain to support gated neighborhood power and neighborhood AI.

Once the diesel stops everything goes to shit, for rich and poor alike.  Money won't buy love or anything else.  The only thing to do will be to die.

Remember Alice. 

But even if a windmill had a positive EROI?  SO WHAT?  Any contraption that generates electricity isn't worth a fig newton, because tractors, harvesters, logging and mining trucks and equipment, construction and road trucks, cranes, forklifts, 18-wheelers all run on diesel fuel.  Not electricity. The 8,000 parts of the windmill aren't going to arrive at the factory without trucks.  The wind mill isn't going to be moved to its destination without trucks.

[RE]

In the long term I agree,  but those in power will maintain control with force, which means control over remaining energy supplies, food etc.  Imagine an African country run by a Warlord who dispenses the food drops from the UN to his friends.  The FSoA military and National Guard will be handing out the food and get all the fuel for their trucks.  Eventually these military units also will be unable to get food and fuel, at which point it's anarchy for everyone.

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[K-Dog]

Do you think in collapse America will be able to project any power abroad? 

There will be no UN food drops.  Such things can only happen with an economic surplus.  The world becomes hugely bigger when oil gets scarce.  The ability for the US to be the worlds policeman is already threatened, but the need to be the worlds policeman vanishes.  What is left of America will become isolationist like it was before WWII.  Capitalism needed world markets because a feature of capitalism is that it ALWAYS needs larger markets.  Globalism was baked in the cake, it was not an idea.  The antecedents were a system feature. 

When capitalism dies the rest of the world becomes exotic and far away.  Perhaps in 500 years sailing ships will arrive from Africa to settle North America.  Not before then.

[RE]

Do you think in collapse America will be able to project any power abroad? 

There will be no UN food drops.  Such things can only happen with an economic surplus.  The world becomes hugely bigger when oil gets scarce.  The ability for the US to be the worlds policeman is already threatened, but the need to be the worlds policeman vanishes.  What is left of America will become isolationist like it was before WWII.  Capitalism needed world markets because a feature of capitalism is that it ALWAYS needs larger markets.  Globalism was baked in the cake, it was not an idea.  The antecedents were a system feature. 

When capitalism dies the rest of the world becomes exotic and far away.  Perhaps in 500 years sailing ships will arrive from Africa to settle North America.  Not before then.

The UN was an analogy.

You're looking further into the future once we have reached total failure.  I'm looking more near-term where we just have intermittent power failures, food is rationed and there still is some commerce ongoing.  Again, my example would be one of the 3rd world countries like Colombia or Algeria right now.  Most of the population is living in extreme poverty, but an elite class of warlords maintain their power by force.

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[K-Dog]

I'm looking more near-term.

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Your near term is right now.  too soon.

Here is an American headline from today: 

Criticism mounts against Venezuela's Maduro and the electoral council that declared him a victor

Venezuela is documented as having extremely fair elections.  That does not matter.  It is EZ to lie to the ignorant flock.  Another color revolution has been attempted.  Right now.  Here is another headline.

Kremlin says Venezuelan opposition should accept defeat and congratulate Maduro on election win

From your point of view collapse has already started.

[K-Dog]

Analysis of a video (fake) which claims police were disrupting voting.

Critical thinking (augmenting what the narrator says) asks the question.

Why would police interfere in a 'Rigged Election'.  The police would do the rigging.  They would not be stopping people from voting.  They would want people to vote knowing it does not matter.

A bureaucratic snafu?  The authors of the video seem not to have appreciated he fact that police would not be chased from a polling station.  There would be no reason for a crowd to do that.  The police at a polling station would be maintaining order REGARDLESS of which side they were on.  To keep voting fair or to keep it bent.  Order would be maintained regardless.

[RE]

From your point of view collapse has already started.

Absolutely.  Collapse has been in progress for quite some time, particularly in Venezuela.

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[K-Dog]

Venezuela has been at war with the United States.  Collapse in Venezuela is not due to resource depletion or environmental catastrophe.

It is not the same thing.

Two headlines.

Mexican president says no evidence of fraud in Venezuela elections

Venezuela's Dictator Can't Even Lie Well

It is not hard to tell which one is the lie.  The second was written by Anne Applebaum.  I know who she is.  She is a total tool of the State Department.  A cheerleader propagandist for empire.  She has pissed me off more than once.  She pisses me off every time she opens her mouth CIA megaphone.

The pain in Venezuela is a direct result of American Aggression.  Collapse from rich American white privilege is a different kind of collapse than the kind of collapse we general concern ourselves with here.

* As I typed I heard the first ripping thunder of the fucking Blue Angels.  Top Gun is back in town as it is every year for seafair.  Will spectators be thinking about proxy wars?  If they did, they would hide with the dogs.

But perhaps the spectators think.  My genocide, right or wrong.

[K-Dog]

Orchestrated violence from Kamala and Co.  Money financed people with criminal records to generate mayhem.  Hoping to stage a coup.

[RE]

Venezuela's oil fields are mostly depleted.  Oil revenue is low.     

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[K-Dog]

Venezuela's oil fields are mostly depleted.  Oil revenue is low.     

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Venezuela's true level of oil production is difficult to determine, but OPEC analysts estimate that it produced around 2.47 Mbbl/d (393,000 m3/d) of oil in 2009, which would give it 234 years of remaining production at current rates.

Is it easier to steal if we pretend it is not there? 

[RE]

That was 2009.  What's it doing now?

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[K-Dog]

That was 2009.  What's it doing now?

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It has dropped almost every year since.  At the current rate it will last 1000 years.  US sanctions cut production.

America has been at war with Venezuela since 1999.

According to the United States Army Combined Arms Center:

A few year after Chávez rose to power in 1999, he began implementing a political-strategic plan he called the 'Bolivarian Revolution,' which threatened North American rule by promising a Latin American liberation from the Monroe doctrine. Chávez's plan was characterized by a hostile and confrontational posture toward the United States, actions designed to export Chávez's autocratic, socialist model to other countries of the region, and a foreign policy that embroiled Venezuela in international-level conflicts.

The American Government will not allow socialism, I thought you knew this.

Markets must expand.  Rich useless eaters demand it.  Freedom doncha know.  Socialists owning the gas tank is not allowed.

[RE]

I am aware of the political issues surrounding Venezuela.  I recall reading a couple of years back that Venezuela/s largest oil play in the GoM was tapped out and their oil exports were vastly reduced.  This leading to fiscal problems.  There are also border issues with refugees from Colombia drug cartel violence.

Of course this is all political, and their abiity to pump and sell oil may be being interfered with to destabilize the goobermint.  That would not be a surprise.  Cuba is also under extreme stress financially now and has been experiencing huge outward migration.  Also political, but also related to diminishing energy supplies.    Nations which don't play ball with the FSoA are squeezed financially.  That is an old story, it's just worse now as energy and food get more expensive.

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