[TDoS]

Collapse comes before the dead bodies.  When there are dead bodies things have already collapsed.

Depends on the definition used obviously. Collapse comes with the bodies. Faux collapse is the kind without the body count, just people wanting to classify a disruption in the norm as collapse. That allows the collapse game to just keep on roling. Collapse comes in forms of severity. It has to be severe enough to have a body count.

CoPilot say:

Collapse refers to a profound and sustained breakdown of a society's essential systems—such as governance, economy, infrastructure, and cultural institutions—in which the disruption is so severe that it is accompanied by a large and lasting decrease in the human population.

[RE]

Collapse refers to a profound and sustained breakdown of a society's essential systems—such as governance, economy, infrastructure, and cultural institutions—in which the disruption is so severe that it is accompanied by a large and lasting decrease in the human population.

RE

[TDoS]

Collapse refers to a profound and sustained breakdown of a society's essential systems—such as governance, economy, infrastructure, and cultural institutions—in which the disruption is so severe that it is accompanied by a large and lasting decrease in the human population.

RE

Oh come on. What, you think I'm as stupid as common website sycophanats or spend my time half whacked on weed? The definition was "human population", not some slightly larger than normal contagion.

"The Black Death (roughly 1347–1352) caused a massive decrease in human population, killing an estimated 30% to 50% of Europe's population. Global population plummeted from around 470 million to 370 million by 1400, marking the largest demographic shock and the only significant, direct reduction in global population since A.D. 1000😌"

Covid was the global equivalent of a sneeze.

[RE]

Has to start somewhere.



RE

[RE]

HEATMAP.NEWS 2026-03-22

The Energy Supply Shock of the Iran War Changes Everything

No matter how much longer the United States and Israel’s war with Iran lasts, the world’s energy system will be grappling with its consequences at least through the end of the year, if not for far longer.

RE

[K-Dog]

Spend my time half whacked on weed.

It could be an improvement.  A way to broaden your horizon.  It's much harder to be narrow-minded when you're busy trying to remember why you walked into the room in the first place and can't find the door.  For some it is the secret to their success.  It is easier to think outside the box when you can't remember where the box is.

And Trump doesn't even need the weed.

[K-Dog]

HEATMAP.NEWS 2026-03-22

The Energy Supply Shock of the Iran War Changes Everything

No matter how much longer the United States and Israel’s war with Iran lasts, the world’s energy system will be grappling with its consequences at least through the end of the year, if not for far longer.

RE

A sobering read.  Rationing power to data centers would be a good idea.  In Europe, chemical and steel manufacturers are facing surcharges of up to 30% due to surging electricity and gas costs. 

The end result of all this will be a worldwide depression with the 1% tripling their wealth , and a lot of average people starving.  Maybe you and me?  So anything to cut power use would be a good idea.

Trump won't be around to see how bad of a mess he made  of things.  He would not understand anyway.  Trump has signed his own death warrant.  It will take some time for the fates to work things out, but they will. 🍿   $200 a barrel oil will make Trump hated like we have never yet seen.  No way he can blame this one on B-I-D-E-N.

INDY100.COM 2026-03-16

JD Vance somehow blames Joe Biden for the current rise in gas prices - despite Iran war

Vance argued Biden is to blame for rising gas prices, as opposed to the WAR IN IRAN which was sparked by strikes launched by the US and Israel.

For a global system requireing "frictionless" flow of energy and materials to maintain a 2% to 3% annual growth rate, Trump has fucked the pootch.

[TDoS]

Has to start somewhere.



RE

Of course it does. But it ain't happened yet, and all the hopes and dreams of those claiming it for decades now doesn't make it so.

[TDoS]

Spend my time half whacked on weed.

It could be an improvement.  A way to broaden your horizon.

I have heard the argument before. Primarily during high school when I lived in circumstances where quite a few of my friends thought it was a great way to spend some time. Drugs, booze, whatever. As might be expected I was the target of some ridicule for not participating. I can only volunteer that dad being a drunk and the consequences of it were something I expanded to include avoiding all types of drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever.

It's much harder to be narrow-minded when you're busy trying to remember why you walked into the room in the first place and can't find the door.

It's much harder to be narrow minded when your co-workers/teachers across multiple fields of science are the best and brightest in the fiels and can be challenged into, and bested. This is done by learning what they know and using it in ways they never imagined. Certainty thorough understanding isn't being narrow minded. Certainty, proven out by future events, is just a consequence of NOT being narrow minded. It is just a consequence of applying a wide band approach to solving a problem others couldn't.

For some it is the secret to their success.  It is easier to think outside the box when you can't remember where the box is.

Possible I suppose. I certainly never started out with the idea to build a better mousetrap. Didn't even realize I was thinking outside of a box when I did it. It just seemed like...it made sense.

[K-Dog]

Has to start somewhere.



RE

Of course it does. But it ain't happened yet, and all the hopes and dreams of those claiming it for decades now doesn't make it so.

When the Titanic struck the iceberg at the ship didn't immediately sink. Many passengers felt a slight jar and went back to bed. Sycophants on the upper decks carried on as if all was well.  The lights stayed on, the band played, and the champagne was cold.

[RE]

But it ain't happened yet

Of course it hasn't.  You can't predict something that has already happened. 🙄

RE

[RE]

THEGUARDIAN.COM 2026-03-22

World losing more barrels of oil a day than in two 1970s crises combined, says IEA chief

The head of the International Energy Agency is addressing Australia’s national press club now and says the public needs to understand the “depth of the problem” facing the globe.  Fatih Birol starts by saying the situation is now “very serious”, more so than the two oil crises in 1973 and 1979, and more serious than the gas crisis sparked by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

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[TDoS]

When the Titanic struck the iceberg at the ship didn't immediately sink. Many passengers felt a slight jar and went back to bed. Sycophants on the upper decks carried on as if all was well.  The lights stayed on, the band played, and the champagne was cold.

Indeed. But expand the time frame...allow it to cover the overarching concept of Apocalyticism, the category within which our decades of doomer experience resides within (if not centuries once religious collapsologists get involved) and the Titanic has been sinking since before you were born, before your parents were born, is still sinking, and all along the way, people have BELIEVED it will, and will die believing it. Collapse never having arrived, all along the way.

But it isn't any fun thinking of Apocalypticism instead of doom right around the corner is it?

It isn't a hobby. It isn't a cool frame work to hang websites around, without the time component, EXACTLY as you have framed it with the Titanic. DOOM IS HERE! YOU SUCKERS JUST DON'T KNOW IT! WE CLEVER FOLKS ARE IMBUED WITH KNOWLEDGE AND ARE TRYING TO WARN THOSE SMART ENOUGH TO BELIEVE AS WE DO!

Just don't mention todays doom is naught but one in a string claimed, predicted, pretended to be happening in the moment (peak oil 2005 comes to mind, Planet X is coming, Yellowstone is exploding) events. All of these are just examples on RE's websites, Apocalypticism goes back a millennium.

The Titanic angle doesn't work is someone knows any history on the overarching topic. It is no different than me using a GRB, that no one can see yet, but certainly might be coming, to do the same thing. And a GRB is FAR sexier. But hard to pitch something that hard to see...but you could try the Titanic angle for that doom the same way. And a GRB is WAY cool.

[TDoS]

But it ain't happened yet

Of course it hasn't.  You can't predict something that has already happened. 🙄

RE

Sure you can. It is called a fact at that point. Peakers, amusingly enough, didn't even get it right AFTER it happened. Because it kept happening!

[K-Dog]

But it ain't happened yet

Of course it hasn't.  You can't predict something that has already happened. 🙄

RE

Sure you can. It is called a fact at that point. Peakers, amusingly enough, didn't even get it right AFTER it happened. Because it kept happening!

TDoS - You have one warning.  I don't want to hear another peep out of you about peak oil for 1 week.  That will be March 30th.  You will have another vacation away from the Diner if you bring it up.  I am sick of your tedious bullshit.

This thread is about an actual ongoing energy crisis, and is not about your whining never ending rant about peak oil definitions.  Which is really just a veiled way of pissing on the Diner.  You could at least find an appropriate topic to post in instead of venting your sociopathic affinity for the dark side here.