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Started by K-Dog, Dec 31, 2024, 07:30 AM

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TDoS

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:46 PM
Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 05:33 PMMy link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

You can stick with it after you admit you switched in data for 2024 and the subject is 2023 data.  My 2023 data is still there.  2023 data. 

I didn't dispute your source at all. Or its number. I just provided an updated number is all. Looks like folks have been making more recently (2024) in the new high inflation world. Probably not a surprise, over all.

A better way of doing this might be like an inflation adjusted series, going back to "the good ol' days", of both median wages and costs of stuff, cars, houses, college. That would be the big eye opener, comparing today to "the good ol' days". If the point is excentuating how the salary/value/cost of living has changed, someone has done that and it is probably a great data series. 

K-Dog

#31
Your data works out to a thirty dollar an hour median wage.  Something is rotten, and this is not Denmark.  Last year the median wage was only a bit over 25 an hour.

Who would want to make things look better than they really are?  Do we have any suspects?

Quote"Everyone will prosper. Every family will thrive. And every day will be filled with joy, and opportunity and hope."

The first step in selling this snake oil is to make everyone think they are being left behind, and the Trump machine now runs this asset:

https://www.bls.gov/  Nothing from official sources can be believed now.  Not that official sources were trustworthy before.  But now the situation is clarified.  The sheep will of course take the official word as god given.  Trump never liked the press.  Now he owns it.

A median wage of 30 an hour at this time if bullshit.  Next year if we have Argentinian inflation the median wage could be a lot higher.  So far we have not had enough inflation to justify the reality of such an increase.

Average is believable, but not median.  Somebody did a switcheroo.  Or there is cherry picking.  Serious cherry picking.


K-Dog

#32
Here is what the BLS might have reported six months ago.  Before the most dishonest man in America took it over.

Real hourly wage (2024$)

A very nifty graph.  With a median value of $24.75.  My $25 was close, but a bit high.  Close because I know what the fuck I am talking about.

62K a year puts you in the 90th percentile.

RE

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:59 PMA median wage of 30 an hour at this time if bullshit.  Next year if we have Argentinian inflation the median wage could be a lot higher.  So far we have not had enough inflation to justify the reality of such an increase.

Average is believable, but not median.  Somebody did a switcheroo.  Or there is cherry picking.  Serious cherry picking.

Due to inflation, the median income is rising, and precisely where it falls doesn't tell us much.  You get a better sense of the problem looking at the distribution chart.  Most recent I found is from 2023.



The median gets skewed upwards because that last bar actually rises 4X as high as as the next highest bar.  This disparity has been steadily increasing since the 70s.  You can see the change from this comparative chart.



Using my rule of thumb, practically speaking people in the Investor Class with stock portfolios come from the blue and purple  bars in the first chart.  For people in the green area, thheir main asset wealth is in real state, the McMansion they live in.  Yellow and beige people struggle to meet their bills and have no savings.  Mostly renters.

RE

K-Dog

#34
Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 19, 2025, 07:33 PMi also need help to post a foto, to make my case i am not a crackpot and elon may be a literal woman
Mrs. Dog got wind of it and is looking for info.  Seems the baby mamas all had to be artificially inseminated and are sworn to secrecy.  If they squeal they loose the money.  So not a full woman exactly, but something that needs the help of modern medicine to propagate its superior genes.  Perhaps it lays eggs?

All photos are links, Perhaps Instagram could host your photos?




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Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 09:01 PMSo not a full woman exactly, but something that needs the help of modern medicine to propagate its superior genes. 

That would explain the twins and triplets.  Use of fertility drugs increases the likelihood of multiple births.

RE

TDoS

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:59 PMThe first step in selling this snake oil is to make everyone think they are being left behind, and the Trump machine now runs this asset:

https://www.bls.gov/  Nothing from official sources can be believed now.

Trump became King Trumpster on January 20. The report from BLS I quoted was released on January 22.

Is it more reasonable that a government report, undoubtedly weeks if not months in the making, was just another governmnet report, or that Trumpster had a hard on for perpetrating lies across so many government reports at once he demanded blanket lying before he even had personnel installed to issue the orders to do the lying, or did some highly focused lying, or targeted only a few reports, and had a boner over THIS one?

Maybe about now you can't believe the BLS, but 2 days after he took over? Seems unlikely.

K-Dog

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 20, 2025, 06:44 PM
Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:59 PMThe first step in selling this snake oil is to make everyone think they are being left behind, and the Trump machine now runs this asset:

https://www.bls.gov/  Nothing from official sources can be believed now.

Trump became King Trumpster on January 20. The report from BLS I quoted was released on January 22.

Is it more reasonable that a government report, undoubtedly weeks if not months in the making, was just another governmnet report, or that Trumpster had a hard on for perpetrating lies across so many government reports at once he demanded blanket lying before he even had personnel installed to issue the orders to do the lying, or did some highly focused lying, or targeted only a few reports, and had a boner over THIS one?

Maybe about now you can't believe the BLS, but 2 days after he took over? Seems unlikely.

I went back and looked at the link.  I can't verify your date.  Anyway it does not matter.  The date can be faked.  We live in a digital age of misinformation where in the blink of an eye reality can be re-written.

So it would not matter if your date is there or not, which I could not find.  It proves nothing.

K-Dog


K-Dog

#39
QuoteIs Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?

Rogan crossed over to the other side.  On the other side money is everything.  It defines right and wrong and everything in between.

RE

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 21, 2025, 02:48 AMIs Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?  Maybe as a fellow european/white person was flattered by that. they forgot about: Abu Ghraib, The Crusades where the zealots died like flies, eventually succeeded on about the 5th attempt then ate Muslim children. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Napalm, Normandy ,Verdun, The Somme, Aushwitz, transatlantic slave trade, King Leopold of Belgium and the Congo, Caloocon Philippines nothing left alive, entire Phillipine-American war, Aboriginal genocide in New World, Almost continuous war in Europe since history was first recorded there, Vikings, Roman Empire rule by terror. After converting to Christian, Europeans took their instructions from the Old Testament, do slaughter of Philistines come Palestinians is Gods will.

Don't forget the Spanish Inquisition!


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TDoS

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 20, 2025, 08:06 PMI went back and looked at the link.  I can't verify your date.

Huh.




Quote from: K-DogAnyway it does not matter.  The date can be faked.  We live in a digital age of misinformation where in the blink of an eye reality can be re-written.

Good thing I provided an unfaked US government document from a US government domain? 

Dunno....can't say I trust the government much either but really....when they say shit, they tend to publish it on their own domains, their logo's, gets picked up in the media, etc etc.

I grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?

Quote from: K-DogSo it would not matter if your date is there or not, which I could not find.  It proves nothing.

11th and 12 words on the document, not counting the seal.

Hey, I wear glasses, we're all geriatrics, I get it.

TDoS

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 21, 2025, 05:17 AM
QuoteIs Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?

Rogan crossed over to the other side.  On the other side money is everything.  It defines right and wrong and everything in between.

Is there an amount involved, money wise, when we cross over?

Like for example, any person with a net worth in the 7 figures or greater has crossed over? Seems like a reasonable number, once someone is worth $1,000,000 or more, probably can't trust them to tell you the time of day.

RE

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2025, 03:21 PMI grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?


It doesn't.

How can you tell a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving.

RE

TDoS

Quote from: RE on Mar 21, 2025, 03:27 PM
Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2025, 03:21 PMI grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?


It doesn't.

Okay. Then by what mechanism does one use to maneuver veau around it?

Quote from: REHow can you tell a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving.
RE

Politicians are stupid by design. PhD Colin Campbell, esteemed globe trotting geologist, scientist and devotee to Hubbert, declared global peak oil in 1990...turns out...he thought it was true, but it was bullshit. So was it honest information when he made the claim and people who didn't know better bought it as real, or was it misinformation even at that moment because those who knew he was full of crap were the ones who were right?

Is honest information to the uninformed, was misinformation to those who knew more. Same information. Two claims. How does this example not endlessly repeat itself across the entire spectrum of information?