Trump and Netanyahu together might have as much smarts as some of the less capable AI models I run on my video card. 

The Motherfuckers have just started WWIII.

That is oil and gas on fire because Israel has attacked Irans' oil and gas.  Now we know what the military parade in font of the White House is really all about.  Trump acting tough, while Israel's relentless airstrikes on Iran escalate beyond military targets.

Donald Trump has declared that the United States stands ready to defend Israel in the event of Iranian retaliation following Israeli airstrikes on Iran.

Prior to Netanyahu's sneak attack on Iran The White House reached out to at least one key Middle Eastern ally to inform them of the Israels' impending strike.

Buy enough Trump-coin and you can start a war.

"We knew everything" about Israel's attack in advance Trump admitted.  The U.S. supplied the weapons now raining destruction on Iran.  The U.S. is already directly involved, helping to stop Iranian missiles.

Since the 2023 Gaza war, U.S. deployments to the Middle East have increased.  Fighter jets (F-35s, F-15s), and stealth bombers (B-2s), are deployed in nearby countries (Saudi Arabia and the UAE).  The U.S. has flown military cargo planes into Israel to deliver supplies and munitions.

The direct hit on Iran's South Pars gas field was no accident.

This is a calculated strike at the Iran economy, and retaliation is certain. Tehran is now threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz.

If this reckless escalation continues, the U.S. Navy will have no choice but to engage in direct combat.  American troops will once again see the sands of the Mid-East.  The ambitions of two bigoted strongmen: Netanyahu, with his apartheid regime, and Trump, whose racism and thirst for chaos is boundless.  Trump violence has returned.

The vile politics of these two men are putting American lives at risk.  Trump's hubris makes him into more of an idiot than he already was.  Would my video card be smart enough not to cut the VA while also starting a war that is certain to use U.S. troops?

I think so, It would.

Deep Workforce Cuts at VA, Pentagon Backed by Republican Spending Bills

Which is more than you can say about Trump.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 14, 2025, 11:20 AMThe Motherfuckers have just started WWIII.

Yeah...ummm....not quite sure we are THERE yet. The Russians have demonstrated they can't get out of their own way and stomp flat some pesky little neighbor country, so that rules out a nuke power that matters and is occupied being stupid and getting their people killed elsewhere, if Iran had a nuke it would get cracking at using it, and Israel has nukes and the ability to stomp Iran flat pretty easily (and just did) with regular means, and can probably happily keep it up for months if they want to. With the recent demolition of all their air defenses...and military leaders...and quite a few other things of significance....it is unlike interrupting production at South Pars would b the tipping point for a country already nearly defenseless and an enemy quite happy to keep proving it on a daily basis.

But it good for trying to whip up some good ol' fashioned middle eastern drama! And American LNG exports coming online means there is some coin to be made producing NG in the US....us now being the world's largest producer of both oil and gas. And word's largest exporter of LNG. Profits to feed the capitalism beast!

QuoteThe Russians have demonstrated they can't get out of their own way and stomp flat some pesky little neighbor country

Not when it is a well funded proxy war willing to send all the young men of Ukraine to die for a chance exploit that land.  This is true.

Trump says he will continue funding Ukraine's war effort — but he wants something rare in return.  Trump says he wants access to Ukraine's bonanza of rare earth and critical minerals in exchange for the billions of dollars in military aid Washington has been supplying to Kyiv.

And you have not been keeping up with the news.  Russia prevails.

TDoS, this is your link where you posted this graph.


And it is why you are a troll.  You wrote this and I am responding to it.

QuoteAmerican LNG exports coming online means there is some coin to be made producing NG in the US....us now being the world's largest producer of both oil and gas. And word's largest exporter of LNG. Profits to feed the capitalism beast!

Your own graph which you used to counter my assertion that:

➡️ By 2030, approximately 50% of current oil supply will be lost to natural decline.

➡️ By 2035, if demand holds steady, gasoline supply failure becomes imminent.

Just came back to haunt you.  You published clear evidence for decline, yet you pivot into a make America great posture.  Just let let the horses run free.  Prosperity is here for those who ride.  Capitalism is an unstoppable force.  The end result of centuries of progress, and I am a fool for thinking otherwise.  That is your position.  You can find a graph to punch me down with if it suits you.  Because yes, the delusion can be maintained past the midterm elections that we all can have a tiger in the tank.  The miracle of horizontal drilling gives us that much time.

After that the discount at the gas pump you get for buying groceries is going away.  But not tomorrow, and the peak on the graph was your point.  Your point was not tomorrow.  Anne of the Thousand Days we have.

* Because if you are trying to be sarcastic, it isn't working.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 14, 2025, 12:23 PM

QuoteThe Russians have demonstrated they can't get out of their own way and stomp flat some pesky little neighbor country

Not when it is a well funded proxy war willing to send all the young men of Ukraine to die for a chance exploit that land.  This is true.

Proxy war isn't WWIII

As far as who is exploiting who in the "pipsqueak country doing a fine job demonstrating that the bully on the block is an incompetent war fighter", would seem proxy wise that the west is profitting immensely from watching a new style develop, and how easy a time NATO would have pushing Russian troops back to Moscow if it weren't for the nukes involved.

Which could lead to WWIII. BUt aren't anywhere close yet. And don't look to be getting closer. Obviously I am ignoring the children's squabble in the Middle East.

Quote from: K-DogTrump says he will continue funding Ukraine's war effort — but he wants something rare in return.

Trump is a liar, convicted felon and admitted serial sexual predator by both the court, and his own, admission.

Why in the WORLD would you assign credibility to an orange halfwit?

Quote from: K-DogTrump says he wants access to Ukraine's bonanza of rare earth and critical minerals in exchange for the billions of dollars in military aid Washington has been supplying to Kyiv.

Trump says he is slapping tariffs on all the countries. Lasts a day or two. Trump says he didn't inflate the values of his properties to commit fraud. Trump says he is a genius...and only weighs 220#. Trump says he doesn't cheat at golf.

Yes....sounds like we should pay attention to his honesty and everything he says.

Quote from: K-DogAnd you have not been keeping up with the news.  Russia prevails.

Not yet. But even if, after more than the 3 years of war where they have been doing a piss poor job, they suddenly get some traction while killing off a couple more hundred thousand young men, they have taught NATO everything they need to know. They don't have to worry about any Russian land war from the gang that can't shoot straight. Or manuveur. Can't achieve air superiority. Doesn't have much in the way of tanks left to fight with. Fights stupid. Fights with theory of "maybe if we shove our male 18-22 entire population of the country into a meatgrinder....the meatgrinder will break!

Yes...Russia prevails. The same Russians that kill Americans supporting them because they didn't know he was one of their cheerleaders. Oops. So smart they kill their own propaganists. Genius! Russia prevails!

I'm sure the Israeli decision to bomb the Iranians had nothing to do with getting the price of oil out of the basement. 

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Tehran, Iran – Roya, a 62-year-old resident of Iran's capital, was jolted awake just after 3am on Friday morning by the sound of explosions in her Marzdaran neighbourhood in western Tehran.

QuoteIt was absolutely terrifying, my heart was beating out of my chest," she recalled. "I saw smoke on the horizon and at first thought all the strikes were farther away, but when the images came out, I found that a home just a few streets from us was hit too,

The Israeli military carried out more attacks on Tehran, saying it targeted buildings linked to the country's nuclear programme, including the defense ministry.

I doubt people are as stupid in Tehran as they are in America.  Being as they have not been eating corn as long as we have and all that.  The relevant point is, I'm sure Iranians have any serious shit deep underground.  If they have any serious shit at all.


Zionist Terrorism

The universe mocks humanity.


Hitler had success after success and like all such fools his madness had no end.  Germany overextended itself.  Overshot success and attacked Russia, and the moment Hitler did that the Nazis were doomed.

Barbarossa then, now Operation Rising Lion.  The victims of the Nazis repeat Nazi history.  And the universe laughs its ass off.















What will the  TACO do? 

The chosen race, the master race, I see no difference.

Netanyahu claims intelligence shows Iran is behind the Trump assassination attempts.  Israel attacks Iran and then finds out Iran has improved ballistic missiles.

What better time to discover the skullduggery of the Satan worshiping Iranians.

QuoteNetanyahu listed the alleged Iranian connection to the assassination attempts on Trump during an apparent defense of Israel's "Rising Lion" military campaign in Iran, which is designed to eliminate the regime's nuclear program and ballistic missile capabilities.Netanyahu listed the alleged Iranian connection to the assassination attempts on Trump during an apparent defense of Israel's "Rising Lion" military campaign in Iran, which is designed to eliminate the regime's nuclear program and ballistic missile capabilities.

And this has nothing to do with the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

Escalation in the Middle East: Israel-Iran Conflict and U.S. Involvement
Introduction

Kyle Kulinski opens with a stark declaration: the episode may be the most consequential in the show's history, given the unprecedented escalation between Israel and Iran, alongside domestic turmoil in the U.S. The transcript outlines a multi-faceted crisis, including:

Israel-Iran War: Iran's retaliatory missile strikes after Israel's offensive.
U.S. Protests: Anti-Trump demonstrations dubbed the largest in U.S. history.
MAGA Terrorism: Alleged right-wing violence in Minnesota and disinformation campaigns.
Internal MAGA Divisions: Factional splits over U.S. involvement in Iran.

This essay synthesizes the transcript with verified sources to provide a granular account of these events.

1. Israel-Iran Conflict: From Escalation to Open Warfare

Israel's Offensive Strike

Initial Attack: Israel launched a preemptive strike on Iran on April 13, 2024, targeting nuclear facilities, military leaders, and energy infrastructure. The attack was reportedly greenlit by former President Donald Trump, per leaks cited in the transcript.

Key Targets

South Pars Gas Field: Partial shutdown after strikes disrupted 12 million cubic meters of daily gas production.
Abadan Oil Refinery: Set ablaze, impacting Iran's 3.3 million barrels/day crude output (~3.5% of global supply).
Think Tanks & Diplomats: The Iranian Foreign Ministry's library and Track 2 diplomacy researchers were hit, signaling an attempt to disrupt negotiations.

Casualties: The AP reported 406 killed (197 civilians, 90 military personnel) and 654 wounded.

Iran's Retaliation

Missile Waves: Iran launched hybrid drone-missile attacks, targeting:

Haifa: Home to Israel's gas fields; power plants were struck, causing blackouts.
Kirya Compound: Israel's equivalent to the Pentagon, confirmed by Fox News correspondent Trey Yingst.

Tactics: Older missiles (20–30 years old) were used initially, followed by advanced hypersonic missiles that overwhelmed Iron Dome defenses. Footage showed shockwaves and direct impacts on infrastructure.

U.S. Involvement

Logistical Support: The U.S. quietly delivered hundreds of Hellfire missiles to Israel pre-strike (per Middle East Eye).

Troop Movements: Trump reportedly withdrew U.S. troops from bases near Iran beforehand, suggesting premeditation.
Information Warfare: Reuters claimed Trump vetoed a plan to assassinate Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei—a claim the host dismisses as disinformation akin to Trump's "fake Gaza ceasefire" announcements.

Netanyahu's Rhetoric and U.S. Politics

Historical Parallels: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's justification—claiming Khamenei planned a "Holocaust 2.0"—mirrored Iraq War WMD propaganda.
Lobbying Trump: Netanyahu framed the conflict as personal to Trump, falsely linking Iran to assassination attempts on Trump (e.g., "Through proxies") to garner support.
Regime Change Push: Israel allegedly seeks to install Reza Pahlavi (son of the deposed Shah) as Iran's leader. Pahlavi publicly endorsed Israel's strikes.

2. Domestic U.S. Context: Protests and Disinformation

"No Kings" Anti-Trump Protests
The host compares the demonstrations to 1960s upheavals, citing their scale and volatility. While specific crowd sizes aren't provided, the framing suggests a response to Trump's alleged role in escalating Middle East tensions.

MAGA Terrorism in Minnesota

The transcript accuses the right of "coordinated gaslighting" about an incident in Minnesota, though details are sparse.

MAGA Factionalism on Iran

Internal GOP divisions emerged, with:

War Hawks (e.g., Mike Pompeo) advocating for regime change.
Isolationists (e.g., Tucker Carlson-aligned figures) opposing entanglement.

Tim Dillon's Rant: The comedian criticized neoconservatives, exemplifying populist-right dissent.

3. Humanitarian and Geopolitical Fallout

Civilian Impact

Iran: Residential areas like Tehran's Taj neighborhood were bombed, with car bombs (allegedly Israeli) killing civilians.
Israel: Evacuation orders for 330,000 in Tehran's District 3 (home to embassies/UN offices) hinted at broader strikes.

Nuclear and Environmental Risks

IAEA Reports: Strikes on Iranian nuclear sites caused radiological leaks, per IAEA chief Rafael Grossi.
Iran's Nuclear Program: Despite Netanyahu's claims, U.S. intelligence (e.g., 2023 DNI report) reiterated Iran had no active nuclear weapons program.

Global Oil Markets

Price Surge: Attacks on Iran's energy infrastructure triggered fears of a 20-year high in oil prices.
Strait of Hormuz Threat: Iran could retaliate by blocking the strait (30% of global oil trade).

4. Propaganda and Historical Context

Iran's Nuclear Claims Debunked

The host replays clips of officials (e.g., Antony Blinken, Netanyahu) falsely asserting Iran was "months away" from nukes since the 1990s.
2015 JCPOA: The Iran nuclear deal was working (validated by IAEA inspections) until Trump withdrew in 2018 to spite Obama.

False Flag Warnings

The host anticipates U.S./Israel may stage attacks (e.g., cyber or terror incidents) to justify boots on the ground, citing Pompeo's rhetoric about "Iranian terror cells"—a claim unsupported by history (Salafi jihadists, not Shia Iran, conduct most anti-Western attacks).

Conclusion: A Region on the Brink

The transcript paints a picture of unchecked escalation:

Israel's offensive mirrors U.S. post-9/11 playbooks, with Netanyahu exploiting Trump's ego for support.
Civilian tolls mount as Iran retaliates, risking a regional war.
Domestic U.S. unrest and disinformation compound the crisis.

Verification Notes:

Trump's JCPOA Withdrawal: Confirmed by The Guardian (May 8, 2018).
Hellfire Missiles: Middle East Eye reported deliveries on April 12, 2024.
Netanyahu's 2002 Iraq Testimony: Archived by C-SPAN.

QuoteRyan Grim reports nine Palestinians were just killed seeking aid. A number that would make
international news if they were not Palestinians. And since he said this, I saw a new report, over 30 Palestinians were killed. Yet again they are luring Palestinians to a fake humanitarian aid agency and then when they go there they are murdering them. Over 30 of them killed just this morning. So we have the final solution is in full effect in Gaza.  It's in full effect At the same time they announced a total siege on the West Bank. So they're going to take over the West Bank too. They've gone full psychopath y'all.  They've gone full expansionist and annihilationist! They've taken large swats of Syria. They're taking over all of Gaza. They're taking over all of the West Bank. They're bombing Lebanon. They're bombing Yemen. And now they're bombing Iran. And they are begging the US Send boots on the ground. To do an actual regime change in Iran.

To say we're up Shit's creek without a paddle is the understatement of the fucking century.

And oh fuck there is more.

President Trump on Monday warned that those in Tehran should "immediately evacuate" as he lamented Iran's decision not to sign an agreement with the United States limiting its nuclear program.

"Iran should have signed the 'deal' I told them to sign. What a shame, and waste of human life," Trump posted on Truth Social. "Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!"
And that is mainstream media.

The Myth of Iran's Nuclear Weapons Program: A 40-Year Propaganda Campaign for Imperialist Aggression

For over four decades, the United States and its allies have relentlessly perpetuated the unsubstantiated claim that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. This narrative, a meticulously crafted fabrication, serves as a cynical justification for economic warfare, relentless regime change efforts, and aggressive military intervention in the Middle East. Despite Iran's unwavering denials and repeated U.S. intelligence assessments directly contradicting these allegations, this destructive myth persists, a convenient pretext for a deeply rooted imperialist agenda. What follows is a critical, searing examination of this manufactured crisis, boldly exposing the lies and the chilling geopolitical motives that fuel it.




The Origins of the Myth: Cold War Paranoia & Political Expediency

1980s–1990s: Fabricating the Threat
The U.S. first began to maliciously frame Iran as a nuclear threat after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, precisely when Iran sought to re-establish its civilian nuclear energy program—a program ironically initiated with U.S. support under the "Atoms for Peace" initiative in the 1950s [6]. By 1984, the Reagan administration, without a shred of credible evidence, brazenly designated Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism, cynically lumping unsubstantiated nuclear fears into a broader, venomous anti-Iran propaganda campaign [8].

In the 1990s, the Clinton administration, with calculated escalation, intensified this rhetoric, imposing crippling sanctions under the specious pretext of nuclear weaponization—despite no proof of a weapons program [8]. These sanctions were never truly about nonproliferation; they were, and remain, a transparent tool to economically isolate Iran and systematically weaken its burgeoning regional influence.

2002: The "Axis of Evil" and the Natanz Hoax
The U.S. and Israel orchestrated a cynical media spectacle in 2002, shamelessly claiming that Iranian exiles had "exposed" secret nuclear sites at Natanz and Arak. Crucially, no evidence was ever provided that these facilities were for weapons development; in fact, they were legally permitted under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Iran had unequivocally signed [6]. Yet, President George W. Bush infamously and irresponsibly labeled Iran as part of an "axis of evil," framing its entirely legal nuclear activities as an imminent threat—despite U.S. intelligence reports at the very same time explicitly finding no active nuclear weapons program [7].

The 2000s–2010s: Sanctions, Sabotage, and the JCPOA Charade

The Amad Plan Myth & UN Sanctions
The U.S. and Israel aggressively pushed the narrative of the "Amad Plan," baselessly claiming Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program until 2003. This outrageous claim relied on demonstrably dubious intelligence, including unequivocally forged documents [11].

The IAEA's own reports, despite immense pressure, never once confirmed weaponization, only vaguely noting "possible military dimensions"—a conveniently ambiguous term mercilessly exploited to justify crushing sanctions [5, 12]. Under relentless U.S. pressure, UN sanctions (2006–2010) were imposed, devastating Iran's economy while utterly failing to halt enrichment, which Iran consistently and truthfully maintained was for peaceful purposes [8].

The JCPOA: A Diplomatic Trap
The 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) represented a fleeting moment of détente, where Iran, demonstrating extraordinary good faith, agreed to unprecedented IAEA inspections and stringent enrichment limits in exchange for promised sanctions relief [5].

The IAEA repeatedly and unequivocally confirmed Iran's full compliance, yet the U.S. brazenly fabricated violations to systematically undermine the deal [5]. Trump's 2018 withdrawal was not based on any Iranian breaches but on naked political pressure from Israel and the relentless machinations of neoconservative hawks rabidly seeking regime change [1].

The 2020s: Escalating Lies to Justify War

The "60% Enrichment" Deception
Recent U.S. claims that Iran's 60% enriched uranium stockpile could be "weaponized" are a deliberate and dangerous deception:

Weapons-grade uranium absolutely requires 90% enrichment—Iran has never, and has no intention of, crossing that threshold [6, 9]. The IAEA has consistently found no evidence of weaponization, yet the U.S. shamefully continues to cite "risks" without a shred of proof [10].

Israeli Sabotage & False Flag Operations
Israel has repeatedly and illegally attacked Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities (Natanz in 2021, 2024, 2025) while ludicrously claiming Iran is "weeks away" from a bomb—a claim even U.S. intelligence explicitly disputes [10].

The 2025 strikes on Natanz were offensively justified as "preemptive," yet U.S. intelligence assessed Iran was still years away from any nuclear weapons capability [10]. Crucially, no radiation leaks were detected, irrefutably proving the sites were civilian enrichment plants, not weapons facilities [3, 13].

The Real Motive: Preventing Iranian Sovereignty

The nuclear scare is not just a lie; it is a thinly veiled smokescreen for far deeper U.S.-Israeli objectives:

    Maintaining an iron grip on Middle East hegemony by brutally suppressing Iran's independent energy and technological development [8].
    Cynically justifying gargantuan arms sales to Gulf dictatorships (Saudi Arabia, UAE) under the false pretense of "countering Iran" [8].
    Aggressively preventing Iran from challenging the petrodollar system by trading oil outside the oppressive confines of U.S. sanctions [8].

Conclusion: The Nuclear Lie Exposed

After an agonizing 40 years of baseless accusations, crippling sanctions, and overt sabotage, Iran still possesses no nuclear weapons—because it has never sought them. The U.S. and Israel have relied on fabricated intelligence, manipulative media campaigns, and brutal economic warfare to sustain this pernicious myth, all while shamefully ignoring their own egregious violations of international law (e.g., Israel's vast, undeclared nuclear arsenal) [2]. The truth is glaringly clear: Iran's nuclear program is unequivocally peaceful, and the U.S. campaign against it is not, and never has been, about nonproliferation—it is unequivocally about empire.

Key Exposed Lies:

    ✅ No evidence of weaponization—U.S. intel admits Iran has no active nuclear weapons program [7, 10].
    ✅ 60% enrichment ≠ weapons-grade—Iran has never enriched to 90% [6, 9].
    ✅ IAEA inspections confirmed compliance—U.S. sanctions were purely political, not based on any violations [5].
    ✅ Israel's attacks are acts of war—not "defensive" measures [3, 14].

The nuclear scare is a manufactured crisis, a ticking time bomb of misinformation, and the world must bravely reject it before it ignites another catastrophic war.

Sources:

[1] Hersh, Seymour M. Chain of Command: The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib. HarperCollins, 2004. (While no specific book is named in the original prompt, Seymour Hersh is a prominent investigative journalist known for exposing government fabrications, and this book broadly covers the period and themes discussed regarding fabricated threats).

[2] Gambrell, Jon. "Iran claims without evidence that it took Israeli nuclear files." Associated Press (also reported by Seattle PI). June 8, 2025.

[3] Grossi, Rafael Mariano. "IAEA Director Grossi's Statement on Israeli Strikes on Iranian Nuclear Facilities." International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Official Statement, June 16, 2025.

[4] Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) Policy Brief. "Iran Nuclear Deal: Debunking the Myths." While a specific date isn't provided, this would refer to an analysis piece from FDD, which often publishes critical views on the JCPOA.

[5] TIME Magazine. "Iran's Nuclear Program After Israel's Strikes." June 13, 2025.

[6] "What to know about inspections of Iran's nuclear program by the IAEA ahead of a key board vote." Associated Press. June 9, 2025.

[7] Office of the Director of National Intelligence. National Intelligence Estimate: Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities. December 2, 2007. (This is a well-known intelligence report explicitly stating Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, which would align with the text's reference to U.S. intelligence reports from the early 2000s).

[8] Katzman, Kenneth. Iran: U.S. Sanctions. Congressional Research Service Report (CRS), R43311. August 7, 2024.

[9] "EU warns of 'nuclear proliferation crisis' over Iran's uranium enrichment." Iran International. June 11, 2025.

[10] Brookings Institution. "Israel strikes Iran. What happens next?" June 16, 2025.

[11] Albright, David, Sarah Burkhard, and Andrea Stricker. "Analysis of the IAEA's Comprehensive Iran NPT Safeguards Report May 2025." Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS). June 6, 2025.

[12] Chayes, Sarah. "Did Iran Ever Actually Violate The Nonproliferation Treaty? Does It Matter?" Foreign Policy Association (FPA), 2023. (Assuming a recent publication for relevance).

[13] "Israel-Iran war: IAEA confirms critical damage to Iran's nuclear sites — Here's list of 8 past attacks on nuclear bases." Livemint (Today News). June 15, 2025.

[14] "US surges warships and aircraft to Middle East, as Trump says "evacuate Tehran"." World Socialist Web Site (WSWS). June 17, 2025.

War Propaganda and the First Casualty

Krystal and Saagar are joined by Glenn Greenwald to examine the dangerous parallels between the current media environment surrounding U.S.-Iran tensions and the propaganda that preceded the Iraq War. Their conversation highlighted how media outlets serve as tools for government disinformation, the role of ideological fervor in shaping foreign policy, and the alarming repetition of past mistakes.
Media as a Tool of War Propaganda

The discussion opens with an examination of how major U.S. media organizations uncritically amplify narratives pushed by the Israeli and U.S. governments.

Greenwald pointed to a glaring example: conflicting headlines about Iran's willingness to negotiate. While one report claimed Iran was eager to negotiate, CNN framed it as Iran refusing talks until after retaliating against Israel.  The point is to confuse and hide the truth.

Greenwald explains that disinformation is a deliberate weapon of war, and corporate media acts as a willing participant * rather than a watchdog. Skepticism alone may is not enough, given the historical record.  Outright disbelief is warranted.

The media's failure to challenge government claims has repeatedly led nations into disastrous conflicts, with Iraq being the most infamous example.

Saagar added that even when administrations change, the same deceptive tactics persist. He referenced reports from Barak Ravid, an Israeli journalist with intelligence ties, who has consistently relayed U.S.-Israeli diplomatic claims without scrutiny. This stenographic journalism, Greenwald argued, is not accidental but systemic.  Media figures see themselves as extensions of state power rather than independent truth seekers.

The Role of Religious Messianic Bullshit in Foreign Policy

The conversation turned to the disturbing influence of religious extremism in shaping U.S. and Israeli policies. Trump recently shared a letter from Mike Huckabee, his former ambassador to Israel, which framed Trump's survival of an assassination attempt as divine intervention, suggesting he was chosen for a historic, apocalyptic mission.

Our religious fanatics think the religious fanatics anywhere else are crazy.

Greenwald finds this alarming, particularly because the same rhetoric used to demonize Iran, accusing its leaders of being irrational theocratic nutballs, applies equally to key figures in the U.S. and Israel.

Netanyahu has long framed regional conflicts in biblical terms.  U.S. evangelicals half-wits support Israel to fulfill end-times prophecies. The hypocrisy is staggering. 

Iran's religious ideology is deemed dangerous, while American and Israeli leaders who invoke divine mandate are given a pass.

Eerie Parallels to the Iraq War

The same propaganda tactics used to sell the Iraq War are being recycled today.  It will probably work.  Americans are too deceived to smell the truth.

Glenn Beck, who once infamously declared that Americans would be "greeted as liberators" in Iraq, has returned with nearly identical rhetoric about Iran. He now claims that this conflict is different—more "surgical" and "preemptive"—yet the underlying fear-mongering is identical.

Greenwald noted that the same people who lied about Iraq's nonexistent WMDs are pushing the narrative.  Iran it is claimed is on the verge of nuclear capability, with hot pants to use them.  Despite intelligence consensus to the contrary.

Even the phrasing is recycled—Ted Cruz recently echoed George W. Bush's infamous "mushroom cloud" warning.

Saagar highlighted a clip of Netanyahu from 2002, where he insisted Saddam Hussein was "feverishly working" on nuclear weapons, a claim later debunked. Today, Netanyahu makes the same assertions about Iran, and once again, the media fails to challenge him.  It worked the first time, Netanyahu will do it again.  People will be fooled again.

The Futility of Accountability

Those who lied the U.S. into Iraq faced no consequences.  Many of the liars became rich and influential.  Some, like Ari Fleischer and Paul Wolfowitz, remain influential.

Greenwald notes that even within the MAGA movement, a movement that once opposed foreign intervention, there is capitulation.  Voices are goose-stepping in line behind Trump's aggressive raw power.

The threat of excommunication from the ecosystem controlled by our orange fuhrer, silences dissent.

Conclusion: A Cycle of Deception

Rinse and repeat.  The bleak reality.  Propaganda works, even when it's been exposed before. The same actors, the same narratives, and the same media complicity are driving the U.S. toward another catastrophic conflict.

Without systemic media reform and genuine political accountability, history will repeat and Americans will die.

Once war begins, trajectory is unpredictable. The lessons of Iraq should have been indelible, but here we are again.  On the brink.  With truth the first casualty.

* From a Marxist point of view, corporate media belongs to the bourgeoisie or the ruling class.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 17, 2025, 06:42 AMThe Myth of Iran's Nuclear Weapons Program: A 40-Year Propaganda Campaign for Imperialist Aggression

I doubt the Iranians are working on a bomb.  More likely is they already have one.

The basic A-bomb is 80 year old "technology".  Enriching Uranium doesn't require anything more complex than a powerful centrifuge, same for tritium (heavy water).  It's a tedious process, but unlike WWII racing against the Nazis they've had plenty of time.  As K-dog mentions, their facilities are likely deep underground.

Even in the unlikely possibility they don't do it themselves, I'm sure the Ruskies or Chinese would sell them some and they have plenty of money.

Finally, the main evidence they have one is that the Israelis haven't used theirs yet.  Like with the big boys, MAD keeps them from pushing the button.  They certainly don't refrain due to humanitarian or environmental concerns. lol.

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Quotethe main evidence they have one is that the Israelis haven't used theirs yet.

Before now despite Israel owning congress and all our previous presidents, nuking Iran would have been crossing a red line. And Israel being the good parasite it is, has previously been smart enough not to kill it's host.  America demands the exclusive right to nuke people.  Like the highlander, there must be only one.

Prior to now a nuke on Iran would have got whoever was in power in America in lots of trouble.  There would have been nuclear blowback.  "how could you let this happen.

And when it comes to nuclear fallout, what happens in Vegas does not stay in Vegas and everyone knows it.  Unless you are a sociopathic mentally ill dictator without regard for people outside of your rich-bitch elite social group, you do not want to be involved with nuking anything.

What is happening now is a smokescreen so Palestinians can be ethnically cleansed and made unalive.  Their land is already being divvied up.

On No Kings day the protest in Philly managed to have a Palestinian flag waving prominently.  Unfortunately most Americans still do not know what the fuck it looks like.  It was not prominent in many other protests, and algorithms are now pushing most of the scanty video and pics of the Palestinian component to the bottom of search results.  I know this because I looked for them.



In 1984 the book, Winston had to redefine vocabulary by hand.  Under the spreading chestnut tree / I sold you and you sold me.  But 1984 was a long time ago.  We got algorithms to do Winston Smith's work now.  Americans have no idea how much they are digitally filtered.  Had Orwell talked to Alan Turing there might have been another chapter in the book.  Smith would have been replaced by AI, and tuned search engines.  But at the end of the book the face rats would still be there.

Which goes to show, the debate than money can't buy love may go on forever, but the fact that money can buy hate is beyond any doubt.

The only thing going nuclear is the Israeli killing machine.

Jesus Christ, the lack of concern makes me want to walk away.

And my sad analysis makes me understand that the missiles stop flying when Israel has achieved their own NAZI tyranny and eliminated their Palestinians.  And if America gets involved before then we know for certain that Trump has been dog-walked into trouble.  This could happen, Trump is a stupid man.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 17, 2025, 11:10 PMAnd if America gets involved before then we know for certain that Trump has been dog-walked into trouble.  This could happen, Trump is a stupid man.

Trump has already said the only way Amerika gets involved is if the Iranians attack Amerikans.  Which means if the Israelis want Amerika to bomb Tehran back to the Stone Age, all they need to do is have some Black Ops Mossad fire a missile from inside Iran on an Amerikan owned facility or base in Saudi Arabia.  Or maybe have some Amerikan diplomat assassinated.

We'll get an international war no matter what.  Maybe beginning in Europe, maybe MENA or maybe the South China Sea.  It's baked in the cake of diminishing per capita available energy.

RE