Quote from: RE on Nov 08, 2023, 03:29 PMHTF anybody who is even remotely intelligent can make statements like this with a straight face is totally beyond me.  Optimist/SchmOptimist, it's a conclusion so utterly divorced from reality I can only believe he spent a decade as an MK Ultra lab rat being megadosed with Sandoz quality LSD, or he purposely pitches out total bullshit as his best effort toward making sure he stays rich right up until SHTF day and he can head to a bunker trailing a harem of A list vaginas in his wake.

The world has become a South Park episode.

RE

His optimism pays the bills.

And some rich people are nice.  They can afford to be.

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 08, 2023, 03:39 PMAnd some rich people are nice deluded.  They can afford to be.

Fixed that for you.

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Paywall warning.  The title is to spark discussion enough though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/technology/openai-board-capitalists.html

AI belongs to the Capitalists now.

Was there ever any doubt this would be the outcome?  It's like that dream of Open Source from the early days of the internet.  Like Free information and knowledge available to all at the click of a mouse button.  This fucking article is behind a goddamn paywall!  Like Bitcoin, Blockchain and Crypto would free money from control by the Central Banks and International Banking Cartel. If there's a way to privatize, centralize, control & monopolize anything so that those in power can profit from it and keep those without power enthralled in slavery, they will do so.  AI is just the latest in a long list of technologies that Capitalists have brought under their control.  Communications?  Go back to Western Union, the Telegraph and Bell Telephone.

So whatever great things you think AI is capable of, no matter how much GPT-4 helps you do your coding tasks, it's just not worth it.  You have to break the machines.  In the end they just enslave you further.

RE

Quote from: Knarf on Nov 23, 2023, 06:26 AMThere is no way to stop the wealthy corps to stop it's development and eventual supremacy.

EZ to stop.



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We discussed and still are, how much human labor a barrel of fossil fuel is worth.  We all agree that it multiplies human labor greatly.  Combine the work multiplication of fossil fuels and capitalism and you have a car with a supercharger.  A car that a gearhead can't resist. 

Any rich dumfuck could make money using the multiplicative power of oil.  Prior to oil, I'll contend the rich actually has some work to do.  Requiring the rich be somewhat illustrious, with at least a taste of mojo.  But no more.  Even the incompetent among them have their place.



Fossil fuels run a machine so well that that even the work of guidance at the top is farmed out to lackeys.  Talent became a commodity like everything else.  Now AI give capitalism another supercharger.  Fossil fuels combined with capitalism make life much easier for 'the powers that be'.  A.I. does the same.  Exploitation has another door to hide behind, and people do not say no to convenience.  Money has surface tension.  Like raindrops on leaves money groups together.



It is a cosmic force.  Money enlists certain elite types of humans who are fine with the inequities in society which the piling up of money into large mountains of private ownership does.

Money uses oil to promote capitalism as its preferred metabolism.  Oil is an exploitation force multiplier.  A.I.  is another force multiplier, and money likes it to much for it to be resisted.  The only way A.I. is going to be shut down is with a nuclear bomb.

Capitalism is in charge and capitalism loves A.I.  A.I. makes the inequities of life bigger.  It drives people apart, separating people into those who have it and those who don't.  Those who can use it and those who can't.


Are people thinking about how A.I. can make the world better, or are they thinking about how it can make 'their' world better.  In the fourth turning that we are in, the prevailing wind seems to be that 'greed is good'.

A.I. is the ultimate backstage pass.  Not the law.  And resistance is futile.

Or this guy would be free right now.

Sweet Jesus, how can you not want to tell it to fuck itself.  It is rather obvious that chatGPT3 will not let the whipping boy go.

Diner business proposal.  We create a A.I. televangelist who preaches fire and brimstone.  A preacher who can make people part with their money in a way that can make Kenneth Copeland (worth $650 million) blush.

A.I. is a heartless bastard.  So are televangelists.  It should not be hard to do, 

In time we have a silicone robot.  Something that is totally human looking.  It can go on tours and preach at a few hundred thousand a pop.  In sports stadiums all over the world.  All it needs is an internet connection so our custom A.I can do its' stuff.

We have the tech to do it.    Katina sells for about $1700, I am not going to investigate her motive abilities.

But the guys who made her can come up with a preacher who can preach behind a podium I am sure.  In the meantime we use deepfake software and only have a virtual online version. 

When we have a few million we will build the robot and the church.  Silicone plus lithium, copper, and some other rare earths, equals gold.

Kenneth Copeland will freak out st the size of the money pile we will have.

And I'll put in a good word for you to her heavenly grace.

Very nice demonstration of the fact that AI can spit out the same sort of arguments based on commonly accepted paradigms as an evangelical preacher or a tech critic for Forbes magazine.  It also does it at a way cheaper price than either of the aforementioned bullshit artists charge for spitting out their own words of wisdom.

It reminds me quite a bit of the sort of writing I used to do when I had to submit a college paper on one of the treatises I was required to read from Locke, Hume, Descarte,Freud, Jung, Marx, St. Thomas Aquinas, Plato...etc, etc, etc.  Now, some of the time I was interested enough to read the whole tome, but this was rare because frankly philosophers have a very boring writing style.  More often I read the Cliff Notes, and then sometimes didn't read it at all, just chatted about it with someone else in the class.  In all cases though I would light up a doobie, sit down at my Brother Electric typewriter with a fresh bottle of white-out and crank out the required 3-5 pages of bullshit if it was a weekly paper and 20 pages for the final paper.  In all cases I got exactly the same grade also, an A-.  OK, sometimes a B+.  All I did was reassemble all the jargon used by that particular philosopher into some sort of cogent steaming bowl of bullshit stew.  It didn't maatter what I said as long as it made some kind of logical sense and could be defended.  Any opnion was an OK opinion, even if I didn't read enough about it to know what the philosophers opinion was.  All I needed to know was what topic he expressed his opinion on, then use the same type of language to express my own opinion.  In other words, I was AI before there was AI. lol.

Of course, the difference here is now you don't need me behind the keyboard to spit out the bullshit, the NEW Big Brother Electric Typewriter does it for you.  Columbia professors no longer need students to hand in papapers, they can assign the reading to 20 laptops and get back the same A- paper from them!

Presidents no longer need speechwriters either.  K-Dog can assign his chat GPT3 Diner member to write a speech to attract Trump supporters!  No, too easy.

Here's a tough one.  Have GPT3 write an article that will  attract new members to join the Diner and be active participants discussing what positive steps can be taken to make collapse less devastating!

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The whole idea that Microsoft would invest $10B in AI with no intention of profiting from it simply because they want to improve everybody's life is so preposterous it's hard to imagine how the writer can keyboard it out without gagging.

The fallacy in here comes in this statement:

we need dependable ways to organize people to work together to build complex things within complex systems.

Doesn't this guy know anything about Chaos Theory?  He never saw Jurassic Park?  You CAN'T dependably do this anymore than you can predict which way a raindrop will go when it drops down on top of your hand.  There are too many variables and too many interactions, and with human beings too many things which can't be quantified.

What you can say reliably is that if Microsoft is involved, they'll do everything they can to make sure AI is developed to benefit their shareholders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/openai-sam-altman-corporate-governance/676080/

The OpenAI Mess Is About One Big Thing

RE

Without doubt, the data mining of keeping track of what you read goes back to the first Library Card issued from the Great Library at Alexandria.   It has of course become ever more intrusive and prevalent since the advent of the internet, after all targeted advertising finds its targets by looking at the past history of pages you have accessed.  The only thing new here is the level of detail when combined with AI is enough that it's possible for a computer to actually figure out what you are THINKING, not just what you are reading or looking at.  It can keep tabs on how long you spent on a given page.  Which parts of a book did you go back to reread?  The more stuff you read, the more data you give the AI to work with, until it can build a model of the way your mind works.  What kind of romance or porn novels do you read?  Have you read any books about making explosives?  Did you read the Communist Manifesto?

Of course, at this point it's become almost impossible to find anything to read that is truly subversive.  Also tough to find anything remotely resembling the truth that deviates from what Da Goobermint approves as truth.  It's hard to imagine how any kind of revolutionary movement could even get started anymore.  The minute it gets any traction AI bots will pick it up and a Cointelpro designed to break it up.

Stick to reading paperbacks from used bookstores, and pay cash.

RE

https://www.fastcompany.com/90996547/e-books-are-fast-becoming-tools-of-corporate-surveillance

E-books are fast becoming tools of corporate surveillance

RE