[TDoS]

Bear Stearns collapsed in March 2008, so not all of the new millenium. 17 years 10 months.

Oh please. Such a 21st century perspective. Try The Panic of 1907 instead. And yet the 20th century ended up becoming The American Century....the exact opposite of your attempt to use some small economic event as proof of anything. 

You are intelligent, the idea that you use Bear Stearns means even are reaching to try and find much in the way of examples for the horrors of the "current" ongoing "collapse"...your definition...not mine.

I'm not saying "just wait".  I am saying it's "in progress".  Picking up speed now also.
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Yes, you have said it is in progress. But if Bear Stearns is your starting gun, I picked a better one for the idea, and here we are....119 years later after my better example. Apparently even larger bad economic events don't cause collapse and you want to pretend a little local one will? Or worse yet....IS? Come on.

[K-Dog]

NEWSER.COM • 2026-01-18

Army Battalions Ordered to Prepare for Minneapolis

Soldiers are on standby after Trump's threat to invoke Insurrection Act.

[K-Dog]

TORONTOSUN.COM • 2026-01-18

CBS airs '60 Minutes' episode on Trump deportations it pulled last month

CBS News aired an episode of 60 Minutes on Sunday night about the Trump administration's deportation of Venezuelan migrants to a notorious El Salvador prison that it had pulled abruptly last month.

<-- Our Copy

[K-Dog]

and an article

ANDRAWATKINS.SUBSTACK.COM • 2026-01-13

The Only Way to Stop the Regime Is to Stop It

Everyone who's saying people only care because he murdered a white woman or everyone started talking about kidnapping and disappearing people when it came for the whites are right. The engine of the United States runs on racism, hated of women, and fraud. It has never been Land of the Free for millions of human beings.

If the average American had two brain cells to rub together, and came together.  The economic boycott described in the second part could work.

[K-Dog]

NYTIMES.COM • 2026-01-18

In Minneapolis, a Pattern of Misconduct Toward Protesters

A protester detained, her bra removed, her wedding ring cut off.  And some of her clothes never returned.

NEWSNATIONNOW.COM • 2026-01-18

Minneapolis area hotels shut down, citing 'safety and well-being'

Hotels are closing in the Minneapolis-St. Paul region because of safety concerns as tensions escalate between federal immigration authorities and anti-ICE protesters.

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But if Bear Stearns is your starting gun, I picked a better one for the idea, and here we are....119 years later after my better example. Apparently even larger bad economic events don't cause collapse and you want to pretend a little local one will? Or worse yet....IS? Come on.

I don't peg BS as the starting point for collapse, merely as the starting point for when I began to pay attention to it and chronicle the progress.

Yes, you have said it is in progress. But if Bear Stearns is your starting gun, I picked a better one for the idea, and here we are....119 years later after my better example. Apparently even larger bad economic events don't cause collapse and you want to pretend a little local one will? Or worse yet....IS? Come on.

You are confusing cause and effect.  Bear Stearn isn't causing the collapse of industrial civilization, it's one of the effects.  A fairly small one in the grand scheme of things, but significant enough to get me curious enough to start paying attention to what was ongoing.

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[TDoS]

I don't peg BS as the starting point for collapse, merely as the starting point for when I began to pay attention to it and chronicle the progress.

Okay, fair enough. So, how long HAS your definition of collape, that according to you is well along even if opaque to...everyone else....been chugging along?

Yes, you have said it is in progress. But if Bear Stearns is your starting gun, I picked a better one for the idea, and here we are....119 years later after my better example. Apparently even larger bad economic events don't cause collapse and you want to pretend a little local one will? Or worse yet....IS? Come on.

You are confusing cause and effect. 

Not really. You can't even THINK about what I do without having that one locked down.

Bear Stearn isn't causing the collapse of industrial civilization, it's one of the effects. 
A fairly small one in the grand scheme of things, but significant enough to get me curious enough to start paying attention to what was ongoing.
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Fair enough to catch someone's attention. But you aren't stupid...what is wrong the Panic of 1907, which was far worse than BS. How about the the 13 economic recessions since WWII? The Great Recession (2008) and the The Greatest Recessions Since The Great Depression (Covid)?

It isn't as though you can be characterized as someone who wouldn't do the most basic look-see and realize BS was....nothing in the overall economic picture. Just another gambler in mortgage finance getting their comeuppance for being stupid.

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It's hardly opaque to "everyone else", given the vast amount of material that has been written about it from Tainter to Diamond to Heinberg to Carson...among many others.  Hell you even have to include some of our favorite bloggers like Kunstler, Orlov and Mr. Wizard, JMG. lol.

As to when it actually began, that's not a bad question but difficult to put a single date on because there are so many different components.  Also it has to wait until someone notices it, which comes after it's actually underway.  Looking at  environmental collapse for instance, Rachel Carson noticed it underway in the 60's, but it certainly began before that.  It only really becomes visible in retrospect, and there has to be some time interval to see develop.

Since oil is such a big part of the energy aspect, you could peg the beginning to when the 2nd derivative of new discoveries turned negative.  That would put it in the mid 1960s.



Another way to look at it would be the 2nd derivative of global population.  That peaked in 1962.



Just like a car that breaks down doesn't immediately stop or roll backwards, it begins to slow down first (in most situations), same is true for civilization collapse.  Picking out the moment it began slowing can be tough as it's almost imperceptible.  As it progresses it becomes more obvious.  Now with industrial civilization it has become quite apparent, and has been so since the early 2000s for any who is not so blind they will not see.

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[K-Dog]

some of our favorite bloggers like Kunstler, Orlov and Mr. Wizard

Kunstler is not one of our favorite authors.  He also brought us Orlov who also turned out to be a total opportunist.  You forget we had issues with both.

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some of our favorite bloggers like Kunstler, Orlov and Mr. Wizard

Kunstler is not one of our favorite authors.  He also brought us Orlov who also turned out to be a total opportunist.  You forget we had issues with both.

I was being sarcastic.  Note the lol.

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[K-Dog]

When those names cross my retnas any following 'lol's are not seen because my vision becomes a narrow black tunnel.

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Folks are beginning to warm up to the idea non-violent demonstrations won't work.  Time to start mixing the Molotov Cocktails!



https://www.axios.com/2026/01/19/trump-administration-protests-resistance

"We will be ungovernable": Resistance 2.0 pivots to disruption

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[K-Dog]

UNICORNRIOT.NINJA • 2026-01-18

Far-Right Provocateur Jake Lang Chased Out of Minneapolis During Hate Rally

Edward Jacob "Jake" Lang, the rally's organizer, was chased multiple blocks from City Hall to the Hotel Indigo. Protesters chased him through the lobby and out the back, where a red Tesla picked him up.

[K-Dog]

SAHANJOURNAL.COM • 2026-01-19

ICE broke down St. Paul man's door, walked him half-naked into the cold

ChongLy Scott Thao, a U.S. citizen with no criminal history, was detained in a car for about an hour Sunday before federal agents dropped him off back home without an apology.

[K-Dog]

RACHELANDTHECITY.SUBSTACK.COM • 2026-01-12

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