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Of course, anyone can claim collapse and pretend it is true. Look how that turned out for peak oilers.

Turned out pretty well.  They weren't wrong, just a bit early.  Timelines are tricky when making Predictions, particularly about the future. 😁

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The answer to this question probably does have something to do with Human Nature.  You could ask the same thing about the idiot Germans who put Hitler in power.

Most Homo Saps are followers.  When times are tough they look to leaders who seem sure of themselves and who tell them things they want to hear.  Any critical thinking skills they might have go out the window even when they are bombarded with bald faced lies, as long as the lies are comforting.  Even when it becomes apparent they were wrong, rather than admit error they'll double down on the lies and false promises.

Bald faced lies like peak oil? Global cooling? I agree about the followers. But the lies are not required to be comforting. Apocalypticism isn't about "comfort", it is about folks believing the opposite. For little reasons, religious reasons, or no reasons at all. Other than someone told them we were entering the next Ice Age. Or peak oil was going to kill us all. In the last century. The lies AREN'T comforting, so we can't claim that comforting is particularly valuable. For some strange reason actually....what is the psychology of those seeking out Doom and then believing...while waiting...and waiting...and waiting some more.

Been doing it for a millenia. Probably not as common as those buying into hopium, but hopium does seem easier to fall for.

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Of course, anyone can claim collapse and pretend it is true. Look how that turned out for peak oilers.

Turned out pretty well.  They weren't wrong, just a bit early.

Just like collapse. The Sun is getting lighter every second, collapse is a given.

As far as peak oil, sure, a little early. The "how late are we" currently standing around 140 years since the first professional claimed it in 1886. But you are quite correct, peak oil is a given. Always was, Hubbert did the math, there is no question of it validity. I got banned for pointing it out in the same paragraph where I told folks they didn't know dick about why geology wasn't allowing their particular wet dream to happen in any particular decade.

Timelines are tricky when making Predictions, particularly about the future. 😁
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Apocalyptians have been proving this true for a millenia.

[K-Dog]

Chief orange idiot has us totally fucked.  Prices on everything are about to soar.

TASNIMNEWS.IR 2026-09-11

Yemen Takes Control of Bab al-Mandab after Liberating Mayyun Island

Yemen's Ansarullah forces secured full control over the strategic Bab al-Mandab Strait after seizing Mayyun Island and nearby coastal areas, altering the western front's balance of power. This development provoked retaliatory Saudi airstrikes on Yemeni infrastructure, prompting warnings from Ansarullah officials that any further attacks would be met with reciprocal responses.

This 9-11 anniversary appears to be another nexus of long term implications.

MEI.EDU 2026-05-15

The Houthis

The Houthis, a Zaydi Shi’a movement rooted in northern Yemen, began as a religious revivalist group opposing corruption and foreign influence, later evolving into a powerful armed faction that seized control of Sana’a in 2014. Backed by Iran with weapons, training, and strategic guidance, they became a key player in the Axis of Resistance, launching missile and drone attacks on regional targets and disrupting global shipping through the Red Sea. Despite sustained military campaigns and international sanctions, they have consolidated governance over vast territories, suppressed dissent, exploited humanitarian crises for leverage, and maintained resilience as Iran’s strategic reserve amid escalating Middle Eastern conflicts.

And the price of diesel is already high.

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CNN.COM 2026-09-12

‘A f***-up of epic proportions’: Blame game begins after Iran-backed Houthis’ lightning advance down Red Sea coast

“The Houthis committed everything they had – waves upon waves of fighters … along with their available ballistic missiles and weapons,” a senior Yemeni source attached to their military forces told CNN. The source said he contacted the United States Central Command (CENTCOM) and was assured the US was “watching the situation closely and that Saudi air support was coming.”  “But the air support never came,” the source said. “And Mocha has now fallen.”

Nice move by the Towel Heads!  The FSoA shot its Ballistic Wad in the attacks on Iran and have nothing left to take on the Houthis!  It's going to make it close to impossible for the Saudis to export more than a trickle of Oil with both straights blocked and theE-W pipeline shut down.  Which means they'll have to start shutting down wells when storage runs out.

The economy will be bonkers by November.

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They shut down the pipeline for safety reasons.  Which on the FM radio you might hear between heating and cooling commercials.  And I do understand.  When there are holes in the pipeline and the pumps are burned up, keeping the pipeline open would be unsafe.  Safety reasons, shut the puppy down.

[TDoS]

The economy will be bonkers by November.

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Well, considering the local opinion of the Orange One, wouldn't this be a good thing at a small level? With any luck, Congress and Senate get flipped and then the entire country can spend 2 years in a fit of "ain't nuttin' gonna get done". With all kinds of idiot investigations of everything. Sounds like exactly the kind of gridlock that is better than governing.

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Unfortunately, not getting anything done while the wars in Europe and MENA continue to escalate isn't a very good option either.  Very reminiscent of the Isolationist period at the beginning of WWII when the war in Europe had begun but the FSoA was staying out of it.

With all the rest of the nonsense ongoing with the AI Bubble, the debt and Interest rates and inflation, the CONgress get mired in Impeachment hearings will make it impossible to do anything that might put the brakes on the chaos.

Hard to predict how it will all workout, but it won't end well.

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[K-Dog]

Very reminiscent of the Isolationist period at the beginning of WWII

Key difference being is that America started the current wars.  Both of them.  Not so the last time.  America starting the current wars is a statement that is sure to get a rise from the ignorant.

Sorry to bother them.  Truly reminiscent would be to have someone use a gold plated gun in a bunker.

NEWS.COM.AU 2026-09-13

President Trump points finger at Iran as attack shuts down Saudi oil pipeline, Houthis seize vital Red Sea strait

Following drone attacks on Saudi Arabia’s East-West oil pipeline, tensions escalated across the Middle East as oil prices climbed and global energy security came into focus. The U.S. blamed Iran, which denies direct involvement but supports proxy forces like the Houthis, who seized key Red Sea ports and tightened their grip on vital shipping routes. Regional allies condemned the strikes as dangerous escalations, while Saudi Arabia vowed to protect its infrastructure and cooperate with Iraq to halt cross-border attacks.

This will not end well. 

To keep Americans from being sent over there could take a damn rebellion.  The next move will be for Pox News to sell the heartland on their patriotic duty to restore order and peace to the world.  America's prosperity is at risk.  Only by going to Iran and kicking Persian butt can inflation come down.

It is a hard sell, but will America buy it?

They probably will.  Bicameral cognition got him elected after all, and now his problem is America's problem. 

The voices of the gods say rise up, the homeland could be next.  Duty calls.  That he is the source of all the trouble is irrelevant.

They will use the broken pipe and the dear oil to say we must fight the Persians to keep the bread cheap and the ships moving.

[TDoS]

Unfortunately, not getting anything done while the wars in Europe and MENA continue to escalate isn't a very good option either.

Of course. Such is American politics. Not getting things done afflicts both the Democans and Republicrats. Folks thinking there is much of a difference between them just aren't familiar with how the American political oligarchy system works.

With all the rest of the nonsense ongoing with the AI Bubble, the debt and Interest rates and inflation, the CONgress get mired in Impeachment hearings will make it impossible to do anything that might put the brakes on the chaos.

Well, change requires a beginning. Getting the Orange One out of the system is step 1.

Hard to predict how it will all workout, but it won't end well.
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"Well" is a relative term. "Won't end well" is like a mantra in doomer-sphere. The Sun is getting lighter.... 4 million tons per second....of course there is no "ending well". I suppose what would be better, and far more accurate, would be, "...and this won't end well...even though it ended okay all those other tiems, THIS time..we MEAN it!"

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The Sun is getting lighter.... 4 million tons per second....

The mass of the Sun is not a matter of discussion here. Your obsession with this irrelevant factoid is a strawman and a violation of the CoC.  Cooler.

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To keep Americans from being sent over there could take a damn rebellion.  The next move will be for Pox News to sell the heartland on their patriotic duty to restore order and peace to the world.  America's prosperity is at risk.  Only by going to Iran and kicking Persian butt can inflation come down.

It is a hard sell, but will America buy it?

They probably will.  Bicameral cognition got him elected after all, and now his problem is America's problem. 

The voices of the gods say rise up, the homeland could be next.  Duty calls.  That he is the source of all the trouble is irrelevant.

They will use the broken pipe and the dear oil to say we must fight the Persians to keep the bread cheap and the ships moving.[/color]

The only way to possibly get enough boots on the ground over there would be conscription.  The Draft doesn't sell here until the fuel shortage is extreme or food prices double or triple.  The Europeans have to go first also.

The other issue is the CHINESE.  I can't see them allowing FSoA takeover of Iran.

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