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Started by K-Dog, Aug 10, 2023, 11:52 AM

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The 8 Stages of Societal Collapse


If you can't count you still can get near a million subscribers.

Financial Decay
Agricultural Decline
Health Decline
Birth Rate Decline
Misinformation
Infighting
Resource Depletion

This only adds up to seven.

The video is a list of current trends.  If you believe collapse is happening, assigning ANY current trend as a cause of collapse is an error that is easy to make.

Cause and effect or circular reasoning?



RE

Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 10, 2023, 11:52 AMThe video is a list of current trends.  If you believe collapse is happening, assigning ANY current trend as a cause of collapse is an error that is easy to make.

Cause and effect or circular reasoning?

As long as the video is identifying these factors as effects of collapse, it's essentially correct.

As to what causes these effects, I think you can list just 4 causes

Decreasing per capita available energy
Resource depletion
Climate change
Environmental pollution

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K-Dog

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But have no doubt: when Washington's global dominion finally ends, there will be painful daily reminders of what such a loss of power means for Americans in every walk of life. As a half-dozen European nations have discovered, imperial decline tends to have a remarkably demoralizing impact on a society, regularly bringing at least a generation of economic privation.

As the economy cools, political temperatures rise, often sparking serious domestic unrest.

The video to the left is like an image tag over an article, relevant content when selected well.  The text itself is from the oldest current entry in the Diner Doomscroll.  The Diner Doomscroll is on the main page and is under construction.  The article itself is :


How America will collapse (by 2025)


Four scenarios that could spell the end of the United States as we know it -- in the very near future

The Link

Published 15 years ago.


QuoteMeanwhile, amid soaring prices, ever-rising unemployment, and a continuing decline in real wages, domestic divisions widen into violent clashes and divisive debates, often over remarkably irrelevant issues. Riding a political tide of disillusionment and despair, a far-right patriot captures the presidency with thundering rhetoric, demanding respect for American authority and threatening military retaliation or economic reprisal.



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I think you can make a very good case that the end of the United States as we know it has already come and gone.  Military troops being deployed in the cities, roaming gangs of masked ICE agents roaming through Home Depot questioning anyone who looks latino or speaks english with an accent, deportations to any country that will let them land for a fee, concentration camps like Aligator Alcatraz here, homeless in parks and under bridges everywhere,outright bald faced lies about economic and foreign policy, the education and science agencies being gutted and defunded, war mongering in South America...the list is endless.

How long does the frog have to boil before it's cooked?


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K-Dog


QuoteHow long does the frog have to boil before it's cooked?


Slow boiling is slow, likely not the way to go.


American Fascism is going exponential.


There are many more ways for the frog to expire now.


TDoS

Quote from: RE on Sep 09, 2025, 02:15 PMI think you can make a very good case that the end of the United States as we know it has already come and gone. 
RE

Oh....I think that was true when US summer camps stopped handing 30-06 and 30-30 rifles to 10 year olds to play sniper to NRA standards.

RE

I didn't get the center fire rifles until my 3rd year, after I passed my expert certification.  Started with an air rifle, then .22s.  Safety training was required.  Nobody got shot while I was there.  Generally I would say it was better training than the average redneck got from dad sucking down beers out hunting.

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TDoS

Quote from: RE on Sep 09, 2025, 07:37 PMI didn't get the center fire rifles until my 3rd year, after I passed my expert certification.  Started with an air rifle, then .22s.  Safety training was required.  Nobody got shot while I was there.  Generally I would say it was better training than the average redneck got from dad sucking down beers out hunting.

RE

Depends on the dad. Most folks in the holler were fairly serious about getting the kiddies up to speed on firearms. Start around 8, shooting 22's under the uncles supervision, my own by 10 (grandma talked mom into it rather than an air rifle) and by 11 get them with a centerfire, 30-30's were quite popular getting ready for deer season. And then of course the hunter-safety course at 11 so the instant someone turned 12...LIVE FIRE! Groundhogs if you turned 12 earlier in the year, I was legal about 1 week before the beginning of deer season. But they allowed the hunter safety course when you were 11 for just this sort of circumstance.

Average rednecks were mostly so-so. I got my training from uncles and a friend of my moms from her parents without partners church group. Loaned me a 30-30 as well, took me out to sight it in, he was quite reasonable when it came to training someone elses kid. More of a structured tradition than one might think, in the holler.

The whole 8-12 year old thing was where firearms began, certainly not where it ended.

I can't even imagine what firearms training looks like nowadays, with the rumours and tales and anti-gun and pro-gun sales pitches and mass shootings always in someone's mind and so on and so forth. I took care of both the kids and the wife, no interest in hunting but both have been to the range, the daugthter likes the Glock, the boy the 357 revolver. The wife only wanted to know where it was in the house and has no desire to touch it, only hide it if guests show up. The 6-point antlers of my first whitetail when I was 12 sit in a box stored somewhere because the wife wants nothing to do with it, but it is a momento of a simpler time.

I find it difficult to call them the "good ol' days", maybe it is more like nostalgia?