Quote from: whd on Nov 28, 2023, 06:42 AMThe only thing worse than capitalists devouring the biosphere is socialists who talk about saving the planet when what they really are advocating for is genocide.

No, genocide has the-ide suffix, like fratricide, suicide and homicide.  It requires killing people.

Depopulation as it is currently operating is  lowering the birth rate below replacement level.  No killing required.

This is neither a capitalist or socialist phenomenon, it's a biological one and no goobermint of any flavor has found a means to stop it.

Everybody has their own pet theory on why this is happening across so many different countries all at the same time.  Personally, I think it's basically economics, kids just cost more than most people can afford to pay, or want to pay.  There really isn't much reward for it anymore either.  Used to be kids were parents insurance policy for when they got old.  Now, kids either disappear and move away, or they are a continuing drain well into their 20s and 30s.  So why go through all that sacrifice when you can live better without them?

https://www.vox.com/23971366/declining-birth-rate-fertility-babies-children

You can't even pay people to have more kids

RE

Quote from: whd on Nov 28, 2023, 06:42 AM"I asked WHD to name an eco-socialist and he never did so I will."

I did in fact - every moron who utters the words "climate crisis" when what they really mean is, I want control over your life and to depopulate the planet.

The only thing worse than capitalists devouring the biosphere is socialists who talk about saving the planet when what they really are advocating for is genocide.

Socialists of that ilk are not found here.  Our motto is save as many as you can.  No unnecessary ass-kicking.

Quote from: 18hammers on Nov 28, 2023, 09:28 AMI am for a good depopulation, where is that button to press! Far to many stupid meat sack's around.

Well,  50% of the Meatsacks populating the planet are always below average intelligence, by definition.  That never changes no matter how many stupid people you kill off. lol.

Now, just for argument sake, say we pulled Thanos out of the MCU to snap his fingers while wearing the glove with all 6 Infinity Stones and instantly vaporize everybody with an IQ below 100.  With Earth's new population of 4B people, the median score is again 100, by definition.  Just it is a smarter 100 than the prior test done with 8B people.  It is not clear however if either 100 score is smart enough to eliminate stupidity.

From my own admittedly skewed perspective, I have found just about everyone I ever met with an IQ of 100 to be pretty stupid. Starting around 110, I find some people who are not stupid, they just don't test well.  At 120, about half of them are smart, then about half are stupid but test well.  Starting around 130, you rarely find a stupid person who can generate a score that high.  At 140, everybody is smart, unequivocally.  You just can't generate a score that high without being very smart.  So, if I was doing eugenics based depopulation selecting for smart people and making absolutely sure no stupid people sneak in and stay alive, I would probably put the cutoff score at 135.  That is exactly the 99th percentile score, coincidentally.  1% of the population makes the cut for eliminating human stupidity.  Fortunately for me, I make the cut with plenty of room to spare.    That would cut the population from 8B to 80M, and would be a really roomy earth where everybody could have a nice big chunk of land to live H-G, Permaculture, or techno Aquaponics powered by all renewable energy, your choice of Xanadu.

All that being said, stupidity isn't the proximal problem with the population of Homo Saps right now, it's demographics.  Way too many old folks, too few children and too few homo saps of breeding age.  So, if you were to bring in Thanos for a genocide based solely on age distribution, he should snap his fingers and vaporize everyone above the age of 40.  That knocks off 3B people and allows you to reset social security and medicare liabilities to 0.

Ideally for me, all men with an IQ below 135 and all women above age 40 should be vaporized by Thanos. 

RE

"So, if I was doing eugenics based depopulation selecting for smart people and making absolutely sure no stupid people sneak in and stay alive, I would probably put the cutoff score at 135.  That is exactly the 99th percentile score, coincidentally.  1% of the population makes the cut for eliminating human stupidity."

To add, "smart" people were more likely to take the covid jabs than "stupid" people, so smart can also be quite stupid, and stupid can be smart, depending on how you measure it.

"I am for a good depopulation, where is that button to press! Far to many stupid meat sack's around."

Let the socialists do it and they tend to focus on killing all the smart people who don't need control freaks.

Quote from: whd on Nov 29, 2023, 07:23 PMTo add, "smart" people were more likely to take the covid jabs than "stupid" people, so smart can also be quite stupid, and stupid can be smart, depending on how you measure it.

I don't think smart people were any more likely to get vaxxed than stupid people.  Plenty of idiots got vaxxed.  I got it, but only because it was mandatory in the Gulag I was incarcerated at during the 1st wave when it was a panic response.  Actually my facility had a 50% mortality rate right before I got imprisoned there.  That's how a bed opened up.  The guy who was in my closet before me died of covid.  I doubt I would have contracted it with or without the vaxx.  I just don't get viral diseases.

In any event, covid was a tiny blip on the radar of death.  3 million people, maybe.  A nothingburger.

RE

Quote from: whd on Nov 29, 2023, 07:26 PM"I am for a good depopulation, where is that button to press! Far to many stupid meat sack's around."

Let the socialists do it and they tend to focus on killing all the smart people who don't need control freaks.

That's why we need to let Thanos do it.  Elon Musk just wants the poor people to die and Billionaires to impregnate as many A list vaginas as they can with the aid of fertility drugs.

RE

Quote from: whd on Nov 30, 2023, 08:28 AMExcess mortality continues to exceed baseline in every vaxxed country.

Yes it does, but as I have explained in excruciatingly long and politically incorrect fashion, it's the BIRTH RATE, not the death rate that is causing the population drop rate of change.  People aren't dying all that much faster (yet), they aren't being BORN! .84 births/woman in Korea, 1.34 bpw in Japan, 1.28 bpw China, 1.64 FSoA.  You gotta go to India which is mostly agrarian and the women are barefoot and pregnant to get just over the 2 needed for replacement at 2.02.

Your obsession with vaxx is blinding you to the real problem.  Relatively speaking, more people dying from whatever cause, war, famine, vaxx, fast food etc is a tiny problem numerically.  A birth rate like S, Korea at .84 could cut their population in half in a generation.

RE

Quote from: RE on Dec 01, 2023, 12:04 PM

Quote from: whd on Nov 30, 2023, 08:28 AMExcess mortality continues to exceed baseline in every vaxxed country.

Yes it does, but as I have explained in excruciatingly long and politically incorrect fashion, it's the BIRTH RATE, not the death rate that is causing the population drop rate of change.  People aren't dying all that much faster (yet), they aren't being BORN! .84 births/woman in Korea, 1.34 bpw in Japan, 1.28 bpw China, 1.64 FSoA.  You gotta go to India which is mostly agrarian and the women are barefoot and pregnant to get just over the 2 needed for replacement at 2.02.

Your obsession with vaxx is blinding you to the real problem.  Relatively speaking, more people dying from whatever cause, war, famine, vaxx, fast food etc is a tiny problem numerically.  A birth rate like S, Korea at .84 could cut their population in half in a generation.

RE

Korea could cut their population quickly but Korean top dogs who don't care about population will soon be concerned with the number of men in their standing army.  They will propagandize to have the rate back up.

To increase the German population, the Nazis encouraged their teenagers to have lots of sex.  (which they did when the Russians got there)


The Nazis established two organizations to control and manipulate German teenagers. For boys, they had the Hitler Youth and for girls, they created the League of German Girls. They established both organizations in 1936.

The League of German Girls was the girl's wing of the Hitler Youth. Because of sexual promiscuity, the organization got the nickname "The League of German Mattresses."

From a Medium article, which I no longer have a subscription to.  I can't see the rest.

Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 01, 2023, 01:27 PMThe League of German Girls was the girl's wing of the Hitler Youth. Because of sexual promiscuity, the organization got the nickname "The League of German Mattresses."

I think "League of German Sluts" has a better ring to it.

Supposedly this technique has been tried by the Japanese but the teens are not interested in having sex, except with their smartphones.

RE

I wrote this on the 6th extinction forum.  Since the discussion is happening here, I'll copy it into this thread to chew on.

Quote from: RE on Nov 29, 2023, 06:23 PMFrom the Capitalism thread:

Quote from: RE on Nov 28, 2023, 11:52 AM

Quote from: whd on Nov 28, 2023, 06:42 AMThe only thing worse than capitalists devouring the biosphere is socialists who talk about saving the planet when what they really are advocating for is genocide.

No, genocide has the-ide suffix, like fratricide, suicide and homicide.  It requires killing people.

Depopulation as it is currently operating is  lowering the birth rate below replacement level.  No killing required.

This is neither a capitalist or socialist phenomenon, it's a biological one and no goobermint of any flavor has found a means to stop it.

Everybody has their own pet theory on why this is happening across so many different countries all at the same time.  Personally, I think it's basically economics, kids just cost more than most people can afford to pay, or want to pay.  There really isn't much reward for it anymore either.  Used to be kids were parents insurance policy for when they got old.  Now, kids either disappear and move away, or they are a continuing drain well into their 20s and 30s.  So why go through all that sacrifice when you can live better without them?

https://www.vox.com/23971366/declining-birth-rate-fertility-babies-children

You can't even pay people to have more kids

RE

I want to add a related economic reason why we have the lowered birthrate and population decline:  Women's Liberation.

In the 1970s, women began to move into the work force in droves.  This was explained by sociologists as a Liberation of women from the droll role of being a mother and homemaker to having equal opportunity with men to be Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Astronauts...whatever a little girl could dream of for her future could come true.  No longer did she have to restrict her dreams to the fabulous Wedding she would have and glamorous Wedding Dress.

In reality, Women's Liberation was really Women's Enslavement into the Drone Workforce of Capitalism.  Most women did not become Astronauts, they became Bus Drivers, Real Estate sales women and Travel Agents.  They didn't go to work because they wanted to be liberated from being barefooy and pregnant, they went because in the growing Capitalist society it was the only way a couple could afford to buy a house.  You had to have 2 incomes, in most cases.  Unless one person had an Elite level, high paying job like Doctor, to have enough money for a downpayment, the wife had to go to work.  Once they went out, they didn't want to go back.

Although a zillion movies were made depicting the Super Moms who had it all, kids and a fabulous career, the reality was and is if a woman works, if she has time and money enough to pop one new meat package out of her vagina she is doing good.  1 kid instantly wipes out all the economic advantage the couple had by both working, since most of the 2nd income goes to Day Care, Braces, Clothes, Gymnastics or Hockey and saving for the kid's future college tuition.

Women going to work didn't happen just in the FSoA, it happened all over the world, particularly places like China, Japan and Korea, which became the main electronics Factory countries of Capitalism.  For that type of drone production line work, a females finer, smaller fingers were better for assembling transistor radios and cassette tape recorders.  Ever see the inside of an old transistor radio from the days before printed circuits and silicon chips?  All the little resistors and capacitors squeezed together on a bakelite circuit board and wired together with little needlenose pliers.  I made a few Radio Shack project kits for Science Fairs in elementary school.  It is tedious work, and to do this day in and day out 12 hours a day to make radios had to be mind numbing.  Those women were not in the mood for baby making after getting home from work.  Thus, it is the Asian countries that have the absolute lowest birth rates in the world.

Where do they still make enough babies to replace their parents plus additional ones to emmigrate toward the rich low birth rate countries?  You guessed it; countries which still have a primarily agrarian population where Capitalists did not build factories, and where the women are still barefoot and pregnant, and often wearing a hajib.  Muslim countries in the Middle East and Africa, in other words.

Why didn't capitalists put their factories there?  Partially due to political instability and geography, but also because having both the Means of Production AND the Natural resources in the same place would have made those places independent of the trade network and bankers control.  Raping their natural resources and keeping them in perpetual Debt Slavery kept the Capitalist Illuminati rich and powerful, but doing that doomed the Homo Sapiens to perpetual enslavement until all the resources and energy are consumed.

At that point, the current slow depopulation via birthrate decline and gradual shrinkage will turn into a torrent of death and destruction, as Famine, Plague, war & Death consume the planet.

Cometh the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the inevitable result of the Global Conquest of Capitalism, who rode in upon the White Horse, ending with Death upon the Pale Horse, and Hell followed with him.

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.



RE

RE

Right on cue

https://www.newsweek.com/south-korea-youth-birth-rate-falling-1848201

South Korea's Population Collapse Is Set To Deepen

RE

If anybody watches this and wants to comment I will respond.  I had it playing while I made my last two posts.

The privileged class of the pissed met in the small English town of Glastonbury where (sometimes controversial) discussions about the environment and society. One conference explored how we might become more 'collapse ready' in emotional, practical, and political ways. This 'deep adaptation' event was organised by local residents and included an afternoon panel with the Green Party Mayor of Glastonbury, Indra Donfrancesco, the co-founder of Extinction Rebellion, Gail Bradbrook, the host of Planet Critical, Rachel Donald, the host of All That We Are, Amisha Ghadiali, and author of 'Breaking Together', Professor Jem Bendell.

   

My feeling is that an important ingredient is missing. 

QuoteHow can we make it real for them, real enough to feel fear, real enough to fear for themselves and their children, real enough to change themselves and to demand change from everyone else?

Quote from: K-Dog on Jan 05, 2024, 05:54 PM

QuoteHow can we make it real for them, real enough to feel fear, real enough to fear for themselves and their children, real enough to change themselves and to demand change from everyone else?

Make what they believe crucial to their well being, and that of their children....scarce. That is why resource scarcity has always been such a go-to scenario for those looking for scary scenarios. Diseases have been popular, super-volcanoes are great for effect, hard for predictability , we all know how peak oil went 5 years ago now, climate change doesn't work as well, no pizzaz.

I'm betting that when one thing or another finally gets going, it'll be reflected more in social unrest than anything else. Not the penny ante stuff that folks are always trying to claim is the beginning of the end, but the real deal. We won't be sitting around in a comfortable abode lounging with clean water in a glass that came out of the faucet as we go hyperbolic on the internet over the equivalent of a pimple, we will be too busy trying to stay alive. When we have electricity we won't be using it for complain we can't go our favorite website, as opposed to looking for where authorities are attempting to distribute food or fuel supplies.