Quote from: RE on May 19, 2024, 04:57 PMYah, besides that he's fond of using half-truths to validate the claim fracking technology has beeen around since the 1800s.

Oh what nonsense. Half truths indeed, are you really at the point where you can't even represent what I've written here?

I provided a year for when modern hydraulic fracturing began. It wasn't in the 1800's. I also mentioned when hydrostatic shock showed up...that was in the 1800's. So who doesn't know the difference between the two of those? A clue...it ain't me!

You can't even remember when you were taking bets on Toyota going bankrupt back in 2008, apparently your memory isn't even able to go back to the last couple of hidden posts you now pretend don't exist so you can misrepresent what I said in them.

Quote from: REIn order to be really effective, fracking needs to be combined with horizontal drilling to be really effective in accessing oil trapped in non-permeable rock.

Oh boy. Shale is permeable. Just not very. NON-permeable is rock that nothing flows through. Guess what shale can do, because it is PERMEABLE. It can have gas flowing through it. Now you can't be bothered to look up a word in a dictionary prior to inserting foot in mouth?

And there was certainly ZERO horizontal wells needed to develop the largest accumulation of natural gas in the known world in the 1920's and 1930's. Devonian shale. Still producing today. All vertical wells, all shot holes (no horizontal wells and no hydraulic fracturing) for the historically and geologically challenged.

 

Quote from: REThe equipment used for drilling in the 1800s was basically the same as what was used to drill a well for water.  The first wells they hir were basically accidental, and they blew out under so much pressure from NG they fracked themselves.  Drop some dynamite down the hole to frack some more.

Again, can't even get HISTORY right. Springboards and cable tools certainly drilled for brine for the salt, and occasionally hit oil. 1848. American well set the Ohio River on fire. It was a water well.  It didn't do this because of pressure, it did it because oil came up with the water, hit the brazer for making bits nearby, caught fire, and there was no well control back then so a flowing well now on fire flowed down the bank, into a local tributary to the Ohio, burning all the way.

What kind of pressure you figure natural gas 60' under the ground is under Mr "I only wish they taught about Lithostatic Pressure In Chemistry Class so I wouldn't so easily say something stupid in front of someone who knows better"? Folks in NY drilled a well into shale, it leaked natural gas, they threw a big cast iron lid on top of the well with a hole in it, and used in some cases hollowed out anything they could find to move it up and down the street to run lighting. You figure those materials are really good for handling high pressure natural gas do you? The kind you can stop by using your finger to plug the hole if you wanted?

Stick to chemistry, your understanding of geology isn't any better than your mechanic skills where you can't figure out fire-fuel-compression on an internal combustion engine. Someone who thinks they can do an appendectomy my ass, you can't get an American V8 started that sits a little while.

Face it RE, you can't accomplish dick when it comes to practical applications. Smarter than shit and if trapped in a wet paper bag would die because paper when wet is NON-PERMEABLE!!!

Quote from: TDoS on May 21, 2024, 05:31 PMI note that you missed the part where I already mentioned peak oil is real.

Peak Oil is real, but "Peak Oilers" are idiots.  Peak Oil is real, but Peak Oilers have egg on their faces.  What is UNREAL is YOU.  You're an anonymous troll who has spent the better part of the last 15 years dropping 1000s of posts under numerous different IDs on numerous websites claiming numerous researcher were wrong about the timeline, wrong about fracking, wrong about resource depletion, wrong about collapse...  It's doublespeak like this that makes anything you write unreal.  There's no substance to it.  It's just confusion.

RE

Quote from: TDoS on May 21, 2024, 06:05 PMFace it RE, you can't accomplish dick when it comes to practical applications. Smarter than shit and if trapped in a wet paper bag would die because paper when wet is NON-PERMEABLE!!!

Fortunately, I've never been trapped in a paper bag. 

RE

Quote from: RE on May 21, 2024, 06:29 PM

Quote from: TDoS on May 21, 2024, 05:31 PMI note that you missed the part where I already mentioned peak oil is real.

Peak Oil is real, but "Peak Oilers" are idiots.

Not all of them. Hubbert wasn't. There was a guy publishing in Natural Resources Research, Tony S. something or another, who had a clue. A professore at School of Mines who later became State Geologist of Oklahoma, he had it figured out, why it didn't work, what would make it work better. Kevin/Keith? King of XOM was studying it well 20 years ago.

Hubbert's disadvantage was timing, he was just at the cusp of seminal work in discovery process modeling by Arps and Roberts in the DJ Basin (which began 2 years after his 1956 paper). Given another decade, his estimates would have been far better for what they found, which was the cause for his peak thing working even a little. Reserve growth came along later and screwed things up, and wasn't figured out until a few decades later, but even Hubbert was doing excellent work for his time with his late-60's and early 70's work on the topic. The USGS, the best geologists floating around in the country benefited from his work when they finally nailed it down decades later. Pete McCabe had excellent discussions with Colin and Jean in the late 90's, and his work had not just clues but data as to why the peak oilers were missing the boat.

It was the folks who once they latched onto the idea, and then couldn't ever question their belief in it, who tended to muddy the waters. And that, as it turns out, wasn't an education level issue, smart folks, dumb folks, geologists, other professionals, plenty went for the idea and then just couldn't let go.

Quote from: REYou're an anonymous troll who has spent the better part of the last 15 years....

Certainly you and Haniel are the last to be able to claim I am a anonymous troll. No one else ever took the effort to track me down via my traveling and IP geolocating. And it is 19 years this November 29th.