Quote from: TDoS on May 21, 2024, 05:31 PMI note that you missed the part where I already mentioned peak oil is real.

Peak Oil is real, but "Peak Oilers" are idiots.  Peak Oil is real, but Peak Oilers have egg on their faces.  What is UNREAL is YOU.  You're an anonymous troll who has spent the better part of the last 15 years dropping 1000s of posts under numerous different IDs on numerous websites claiming numerous researcher were wrong about the timeline, wrong about fracking, wrong about resource depletion, wrong about collapse...  It's doublespeak like this that makes anything you write unreal.  There's no substance to it.  It's just confusion.

RE

Quote from: TDoS on May 21, 2024, 06:05 PMFace it RE, you can't accomplish dick when it comes to practical applications. Smarter than shit and if trapped in a wet paper bag would die because paper when wet is NON-PERMEABLE!!!

Fortunately, I've never been trapped in a paper bag. 

RE

Quote from: RE on May 21, 2024, 06:29 PM

Quote from: TDoS on May 21, 2024, 05:31 PMI note that you missed the part where I already mentioned peak oil is real.

Peak Oil is real, but "Peak Oilers" are idiots.

Not all of them. Hubbert wasn't. There was a guy publishing in Natural Resources Research, Tony S. something or another, who had a clue. A professore at School of Mines who later became State Geologist of Oklahoma, he had it figured out, why it didn't work, what would make it work better. Kevin/Keith? King of XOM was studying it well 20 years ago.

Hubbert's disadvantage was timing, he was just at the cusp of seminal work in discovery process modeling by Arps and Roberts in the DJ Basin (which began 2 years after his 1956 paper). Given another decade, his estimates would have been far better for what they found, which was the cause for his peak thing working even a little. Reserve growth came along later and screwed things up, and wasn't figured out until a few decades later, but even Hubbert was doing excellent work for his time with his late-60's and early 70's work on the topic. The USGS, the best geologists floating around in the country benefited from his work when they finally nailed it down decades later. Pete McCabe had excellent discussions with Colin and Jean in the late 90's, and his work had not just clues but data as to why the peak oilers were missing the boat.

It was the folks who once they latched onto the idea, and then couldn't ever question their belief in it, who tended to muddy the waters. And that, as it turns out, wasn't an education level issue, smart folks, dumb folks, geologists, other professionals, plenty went for the idea and then just couldn't let go.

Quote from: REYou're an anonymous troll who has spent the better part of the last 15 years....

Certainly you and Haniel are the last to be able to claim I am a anonymous troll. No one else ever took the effort to track me down via my traveling and IP geolocating. And it is 19 years this November 29th.

This is so good I downloaded our own copy.  I am deregulating information by doing this.

This passage I read yesterday sets the mood.

QuoteThe Tramway Company, the Water Works Company, the Public Baths Company,
the Winter Gardens Company, the Grand Hotel Company and numerous others. There was, however, one Company in which Sweater, Rushton, Didlum and Grinder had no shares, and that was the Gas Company, the oldest and most flourishing of them all. This institution had grown with the place; most of the original promoters were dead, and the greater number of the present shareholders were non-residents; although they lived on the town, they did not live in it.
 
The profits made by this Company were so great that, being prevented by law from paying a larger dividend than ten percent, they frequently found it a difficult matter to decide what to do with the money. They paid the Directors and principal officials--themselves shareholders, of course--enormous salaries. They built and furnished costly and luxurious offices and gave the rest to the shareholders in the form of Bonuses.

There was one way in which the Company might have used some of the profits: it might have granted shorter hours and higher wages to the workmen whose health was destroyed and whose lives were shortened by the terrible labor of the retort-houses and the limesheds; but of course none of the directors or shareholders ever thought of doing that. It was not the business of the Company to concern itself about
them.

Years ago, when it might have been done for a comparatively small amount, some hare-brained Socialists suggested that the town should buy the Gas Works, but the project was wrecked by the inhabitants, upon
whom the mere mention of the word Socialist had the same effect that the sight of a red rag is popularly supposed to have on a bull.

Of course, even now it was still possible to buy out the Company, but it was supposed that it would cost so much that it was generally considered to be impracticable.

Those were the days my friends.

The tragedy of the the commons.  Before Trump, before 911, before privatization sealed our doom.  The Tragedy of the commons was discussed by doomers.


https://aeon.co/essays/the-tragedy-of-the-commons-is-a-false-and-dangerous-myth

That enormous fucking piles of money pay attention to essays without research backing up claims is no surprise.

Doom Déjà vu.

Kangaroos and Koalas don't vote.

RE