Ok then. Thanks for the vivid reaction to this nonsense. Now I will play the devil's advocate with you all, not to be confused with "I believe this shit", but there IS another view that isn't so "negative."

To begin...

For those expressing pessimistic views about the potential consequences of AI, suggesting that it could lead to a dystopian future where humanity is controlled by machines, I strongly disagree with this perspective and argue that AI has the potential to bring about numerous benefits to society.

First and foremost, AI has the potential to revolutionize healthcare. With the ability to process vast amounts of medical data and perform complex analyses, AI can help doctors and researchers identify new treatments and therapies for diseases. Additionally, AI-powered robots can assist in surgeries and other medical procedures, allowing for more precise and minimally invasive operations. Furthermore, AI can help improve transportation safety by enabling self-driving cars to detect potential hazards and make split-second decisions to avoid accidents.

While AI has the potential to bring about many benefits, it is important to acknowledge its limitations. For instance, AI is not yet capable of replicating human intuition and creativity, which are essential skills in many fields. Moreover, AI systems can be vulnerable to bias and errors, which can have serious consequences in fields such as law and finance. Therefore, it is crucial that we continue to invest in AI research and development to address these limitations and ensure that AI is used responsibly.

Another key point to consider is the importance of human oversight in the development and deployment of AI systems. While AI can process vast amounts of data and perform complex tasks, it cannot make ethical decisions or understand the nuances of human communication. Therefore, it is essential that humans remain involved in the decision-making process to ensure that AI systems are aligned with human values and do not perpetuate harmful biases or behaviors.

While there are certainly risks and challenges associated with the development and deployment of AI, I strongly disagree with the pessimistic view that AI will lead to a dystopian future. With careful planning, responsible development, and human oversight, AI has the potential to bring about numerous benefits to society, including improved healthcare, transportation, and decision-making.

AI will be in every aspect of planning the future of our planet. Billions of $$$$ are being invested in this NOW. Soon we will be getting reports on how AI is making great strides in implementing policies that slow and possibly reverse the trends that seem impossible to deal with.

I don't see how AI will revolutionize health care, but if it did.  That does not end collapse.

Health care and the first green revolution created collapse in the first place.  Keeping people alive with more health care than we have now increases the human load on the planet and accelerates collapse.

People had the stupidity to cause collapse for aeons.  But they did not have the means.  Nature kept things in check.  Then the Faber process and modern medicine gave humanity the ability to destroy itself.

Art Berman made a Doomstead Diner point yesterday in the video I posted. it goes like this:

QuoteIf you think you have a great idea to avert collapse you don't have to tell me what it is.  I already know it is a bad idea.  I don't have to know what it is.

And that is exactly why we have this thread.  And the more an idea excites you, the more probable it is that it can't work.

Ideas are coming up to 'solve' collapse all the time.  That can't happen.  There is no magic bullet that can fix the clusterfuck of OVERSHOOT problems which human stupidity has caused, and which we at the Diner summarize as collapse.  Tech can't be the answer because tech is causing collapse.  Tech put humanity into overshoot.  AI is tech, and all AI can do is accelerate collapse.

The point of the Garden Of Eden story is simple and many won't agree with me, but all it means is that there are limits in life, forbidden things.  Humans have a natural tendency to think they are the center of the universe.  Humans need the lesson.  The century of the self has been extended.  Left to our own devices we stare into ponds and think we are beautiful. 


Humanity was kicked out of the garden because humanity is immature and can't follow rules.  Thou shall not.  Pacific Islanders refined the concept of limits into 'taboos' to better manage their limited island resources.  Consequences of violating a taboo were severe.

Taboos serve as a way to regulate behavior and maintain social order.  But in America we do not have taboos.  The modern world needs limits, but there is great disdain at the notion.  Taboos are primitive and superstitious.  Taboos have no place in the modern world.  Ask anyone in a suit, they will agree.  Here in Merica everyone gets to live to their full potential.  Ask any of the lucky few who do.  They will agree.

Tech dudes create stuff, but creators of stuff are not the same people who use stuff ^*.  An alien would say, those monkeys have guns.


Smart monkeys makes stuff and dumb monkeys use it.  This results in doom.  The results of doom demonstrating the smart monkeys are not so smart. 

* Alienation, and Fetishism of Commodities is related to reification, where social relations are conceived as actual relations between things with real existence.  In the mind, thought and the conclusions of thought become real.  Users become alienated from the realities of the actual production of objects.  Objects appear to be brought into existence without using labor or resources.  Money magically creates, allowing  people to live in delusions of their own making.

Quote from: Knarf on May 30, 2024, 08:08 AMAnother key point to consider is the importance of human oversight in the development and deployment of AI systems. While AI can process vast amounts of data and perform complex tasks, it cannot make ethical decisions or understand the nuances of human communication. Therefore, it is essential that humans remain involved in the decision-making process to ensure that AI systems are aligned with human values and do not perpetuate harmful biases or behaviors.

Who's going to be doing this oversight?  The same Billionaire Tech Oligarchs who currently manage our society for their own benefit.  Who OWNS the supercomputers necessary to run AI programs?  Who controls how the software is applied?  AI does even more to centralize control and put the means of production of knowledge itself into the hands of the wealthy.  It's the ultimate anti-democratic tool.  Why do you need voters if AI can make all the important decisions?

Is it any surprise that Muskrat just launched his own AI company with $6B in investment capital to compete with OpenAI?  How can you possibly see this as benefitting J6P?  This is technology by the rich for the rich.

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

RE