Noah popping in the clip with Dugin made me do some investigation.

QuoteHow is it that Dugin's name has become synonymous with an ideology he has condemned in the minds of the Western public?  If one visits the Wikipedia page for the Russian political analyst, the very first sentence even states that Dugin is "known for views widely characterized as fascist." Simultaneously, Amazon has banned the sale of all books by Dugin himself while only carrying a number of pro-Western critiques of his work.  Quite simply, Americans are permitted to read and hear about the man but never read his words themselves, just as they are never presented with Moscow's perspective on the Ukraine war.  Amazon's $600 million dollar contract with the C.I.A. doesn't exactly make the censorship of his writing that surprising, nor does his diabolical presentation in the pages of the Bezos Post.  The links between the news media and the intelligence community may be well-established going back to the Church Committee and its revelations about Operation Mockingbird but lesser-known and taken for granted are the connections between Langley and the conflict-of-interest editing of the popular online encyclopedia page. This is a perfect example of how propaganda spreads in the digital age and information warfare

So:


There are, in the 20th century, only three ideologies that have managed to demonstrate that their principles are realistic in terms of their political-administrative implementation—these are liberalism, communism and fascism. As much as one may like to—it is impossible to name another model of society which would not be one of the forms of these ideologies and [which], at the same time, existed in reality. There are liberal countries, there are communist [countries] and there are fascist (nationalist) [countries]. Others are absent. And are impossible. In Russia, we have passed two ideological stages—the communist and
the liberal. What remains is fascism.

1. Against national capitalism

One of the versions of fascism which, it seems, Russian society is today ready (or almost ready) to embrace is national capitalism. It is almost beyond doubt that the project of national capitalism or "right fascism" constitutes an ideological initiative of that part of the elite of society which is seriously concerned with the problem of power and feels acutely the power of time [velenie vremeni]. Yet, the "national-capitalist," "right-wing" variation of fascism does by no means exhaust the nature of this ideology. Moreover, the union of the "national bourgeoisie" with the "intelligentsia" on which, according to some analysts, the coming Russian fascism will be based constitutes a glaring example for what, actually, is entirely alien to fascism as a world-view, as a doctrine, [and] as a style. "The domination of national capital"—this is a Marxist definition of the phenomenon of fascism. It does absolutely not take into account the specific philosophical self-reflection of fascist ideology [and] consciously ignores the fundamental core-pathos of fascism.

Fascism—this is nationalism, yet not any nationalism, but a revolutionary,rebellious, romantic, idealistic [form of nationalism] appealing to a great myth and transcendental idea, trying to put into practice the Impossible Dream [sic], to give birth to a society of the hero and Superhuman [sic], to change and transform [preobrazovat' i preobrazit'] the world. On the economic level, fascism is characterized rather by socialist or moderately socialist methods which subordinate personal, individual economic interests to the principles of national welfare, justice, [and] brotherhood. And finally, the fascist view of culture corresponds to a radical rejection of the humanistic, "excessively humane" mentality, i.e. of what represents the essence of the "intelligentsia." The fascist hates the intellectual [intelligent] as a type. He sees in him a masked bourgeois, a pretentious philistine, a chatterbox and irresponsible coward. The fascist loves the brutal [zverskoe], superhuman and angel-like, at the same time. He loves the cold and tragedy, he does not like warmth and comfort. With other words, fascism despises everything that makes up the essence of "national capitalism." He fights for the "domination of national idealism" (and not "national capital") and against the bourgeoisie and intelligentsia (and not for her and not with her). The fascist pathos is accurately defined in the famous phrase of Mussolini: "Rise, fascist and proletarian Italy!" "Fascist and proletarian"—such is the orientation of fascism. [It is] a labor and heroic, militant and creative, idealistic and futuristic ideology which does not have anything in common with securing additional governmental comfort for the traders [torgasham] (even if a thousand times national) and sinecures for the socially parasitic intelligentsia. The central figures of the fascist state, [and] fascist myth [are] the peasant, worker, [and] soldier. On the top, as the supreme symbol of the tragic fight with destiny, cosmic entropy [is] the god-like leader, Duce [duche], Führer [fyurer], superhuman who realizes in his supra-individual personality the extraordinary tension of national will for feat. Of course, somewhere, at the periphery, there is also a place for the honest citizen-merchant [grazhdanin-lavochnik] and university professor. They too put on party badges and go out to ceremonial meetings. But, in fascist reality, their figures are fading, getting lost, [and] move into the background [otstupayut na zadnii plan].

Not for them and not by them is the national revolution done.

In history, clean, ideal fascism did not experience a direct incarnation. In practice, the urgent problems of assumption of power and establishing economic order forced the fascist leaders—including Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, as well as Salazar—to forge alliances with conservatives, national capitalists, big owners and corporation heads. Yet, this compromise always ended deplorable for the fascist regimes. The fanatic anti-communism of Hitler warmed up by the German capitalists cost Germany the defeat in its war with the USSR while Mussolini—trusting into the honesty of the king (articulator of the interests exactly of big business)—was delivered by him to the renegades Badoglio and Ciano who put the Duce into prison and threw themselves into the embrace of the Americans.

Franco held out the longest, and even that because of the concessions of liberal-capitalist England and USA and because of [his] rejection to support the ideologically related regimes of the Axis. Moreover, Franco was not a real fascist.  National capitalism is the inner virus of fascism, its enemy [and] guarantor [zalog] of its degeneration and perishing. National capitalism is in no way an essential
characteristic of fascism as [national capitalism] is, on the contrary, an accidental and contradictory element in its inner structure.

Therefore, in our case, in the case of the growing Russian national capitalism, one cannot speak about fascism, but of an attempt to preliminarily pervert what is not to be circumvented. Such pseudo-fascism can be called "preventive," [or] "precautionary." It hastens to make itself known before an authentic, real, radically revolutionary and consistent fascism, a fascist fascism is, in full measure, born and becomes strong in Russia. National capitalists—these are former [communist] party leaders who are used to boss around [vlastvovat'] and humiliate the people and who subsequently, out of conformism, became "liberal democrats," and who, now that this stages is over, are, equally zealously, venturing to cover themselves with national clothes.

Having democracy transformed into a farce, apparently, the partocrats, together with the obliging intelligentsia, are, decidedly up to foul and poison the nationalism that is advancing into society.

The nature of fascism [is] a new hierarchy, a new aristocracy. The novelty lies in that the hierarchy is based on natural, organic [and] clear principles—dignity, honor, courage [and] heroism. The dilapidated hierarchy which is trying to carry itself over into the era of nationalism is, as before, based on conformist abilities: "flexibility," "caution," "a taste for intrigues," "toadyism," etc. The obvious conflict between two styles, two human types, two normative systems is inescapable.

2. Russian socialism

It is absolutely unjustified to call fascism an "extremely right-wing" ideology. This phenomenon is much more precisely characterized with the paradoxical formula "Conservative Revolution." It is a combination of a "right-wing" cultural-political orientation—traditionalism, faithfulness to the soil, roots, national ethics—with a "left-wing" economic program—social justice, limitation to the market forces, deliverance from "credit [protsentnogo] slavery," prohibition of stock market speculation, monopolies and trusts, [and] primacy of honest work. In analogy to National Socialism which was often called simply "German socialism," one can speak of Russian fascism as "Russian socialism." The ethnic specification of the term "socialism" has, in this context, a special meaning. What is meant is formulation of a socio-economic doctrine, from the beginning, not on the basis of abstract dogmas and rationalistic laws, but on the basis of concrete, spiritual-ethical and cultural principles that have organically formed the nation as such.  Russian socialism—that is not Russians for socialism, but socialism for the Russians. In distinction to rigid Marxist-Leninist dogmas, Russian national socialism proceeds from an understanding of social justice which is characteristic exactly for our nation, for our historical tradition, for our economic ethics. 

Such a socialism will be more rural than proletarian, more communal and cooperative than administrative [gosudarstvennyi], more regionalistic than centralistic—all these are requirements of Russian national specificity which will find its expression in the doctrine and not only in practice.

3. New people

Such a Russian socialism should be built by new people, a new type of people, a new class. A class of heroes and revolutionaries. The remains of the party nomenclature and their ramshackle order should fall victim to the socialist revolution. The Russian national revolution. The Russian's are longing for freshness, for modernity [sovremennosti], for unfeigned romanticism, for living participation in some great cause. Everything that they are offered today [is] either archaic (the national patriots) or boring and cynical (the liberals). The dance and the attack, fashion and aggression, excessiveness and discipline, will and gesture, fanaticism and irony will seethe in the national revolutionaries—young, malicious [zlykh], merry, fearless, passionate and not knowing limits. They [will] build and destroy, rule and fulfill orders, conduct purges of the enemies of the nation and tenderly take care of Russian elderly and children. Wrathfully and merrily will they approach the citadel of the ramshackle [and] rotten System [sic]. Yes, they deeply [krovno] thirst for Power [sic]. They know how to use it. They will breathe Live 4 [sic] in society, they will shove [vvergnut] the people into the sweet process of creating History [sic]. New people. Finally, intelligent and brave. Such as are needed. Who take the outer world as a strike (in the words of [Evgenii] Golovin [a Russian mystic and teacher of Dugin—A.U.]).

Immediately before his death, the French fascist writer Robert Brasillach voiced a strange prophecy: "I see how in the East, in Russia, fascism is rising—a fascism borderless and red."

Note: Not a faded, brownish-pinkish national capitalism, but the blinding dawn of a new Russian Revolution [sic], fascism—borderless as our lands, and red as our blood.

* Obviously Dugin is not a fascist.  So what does the western media and academy call Dugin?  A fascist of course.  Sort of like 2 and 2 adding up to 4 when you correctly describe fascism as a stage of industrial capitalism.  Do that and you put a target on your back.

America has been the FSOA in the Diner since the Diner started.  We are also a target.  This is neither an honor or a humiliation.  Just a fact.  One of the versions of fascism is national capitalism.


Here Nancy, a leader of the FSOA uses the failure of capitalism to justify capitalism.

Quote from: RE on Aug 30, 2024, 02:21 AMIf he really wanted to chat with us, one would figure he would grasp that showing some respect is required?
RE

Interesting. I once traveled 1500 miles to chat with you. And Wendy. I already demonstrated "really wnated to chat with us" beyond anyone but some in the inner circle...Monsta won that contest, Eddy came in 2nd, but I beat out Dave and John in terms of distance. 

As far as respect in the sense that you are probably thinking about it....that can be a little tricky. There are required conditions that need to remain consistent in terms of the interaction with folks on internet forums.

Quote from: TDoS on Sep 06, 2024, 03:51 PM

Quote from: RE on Aug 30, 2024, 02:21 AMIf he really wanted to chat with us, one would figure he would grasp that showing some respect is required?
RE

Interesting. I once traveled 1500 miles to chat with you. And Wendy. I already demonstrated "really wnated to chat with us" beyond anyone but some in the inner circle...Monsta won that contest, Eddy came in 2nd, but I beat out Dave and John in terms of distance. 

As far as respect in the sense that you are probably thinking about it....that can be a little tricky. There are required conditions that need to remain consistent in terms of the interaction with folks on internet forums.

My understanding is you traveled 1500 miles to lurk, and you then did not introduce yourself.  And you still have not learned that a mystery man can't get traction.  But that assumes you want some.

I have been following Richard Wilkinson for years.  He had a book of his own before the first one with Kate.  I bought the 'Inner Level' and am looking at part 2 which gets into the scientific facts which explains why understanding the spirit level is so important.  In other words, proof.

The above will not mean anything to you unless you are also on the spirit level.  Read the you tube description.

Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 06, 2024, 05:09 PMMy understanding is you traveled 1500 miles to lurk, and you then did not introduce yourself.

I was there. You weren't. Personal experience matters, a point you've made before. My memory is quite good, and 30 minutes talking with RE, watching him demo a electric scooter for a young man who asked about it, and yack away, isn't "lurking". I did lurk for 5 minutes after I spotted him and his squad telling myself, "okay...do you REALLY want to do this"...before forging ahead. Wife thought I was silly, after having been around for the last episode of bumping into internet folks. It was reasonable to be cautious. I was once revealed online, my fault, and the nutter showed up at the gate and tried to get past the armed guards. That was old peak oil days though, prior to the Diner, and prior to RE showing up at peakoil.com

I've been more careful since, and stopping by to see the squad seemed like I might be asking for it. John is a big guy.

Quote from: K-DogAnd you still have not learned that a mystery man can't get traction.  But that assumes you want some.

A mystery to you perhaps, if you've never asked RE for my name. RE has stated quite clearly the process he used to find me out, how he substantiated and independently confirmed what Haniel had found out using IP tracking on my posts, conferences I went to, IP verified, etc etc.

But if you want to pretend, as RE does, that he didn't do exactly what I just said, that is up to you.

Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 06, 2024, 05:09 PMMy understanding is you traveled 1500 miles to lurk, and you then did not introduce yourself.

Talking for half an hour isn't lurking in my book. Got his entire spiel for the EV scooters as well. Spoke to Wendy as well, she was passing out literature which was useful as it had phone numbers and whatnot for the SUN thing, etc etc. RE was busy demoing  the scooter for a youngster who asked about them, stopped back to say goodbye afterwards.

And of course I didn't introduce myself. Neither did he.

Quote from: K-DogAnd you still have not learned that a mystery man can't get traction.  But that assumes you want some.

I've already said my piece about RE's investigation of who I am (as did he, in this very forum...did the MIB get that?) and how he and Haniel sorted it out. Did RE mention that Dave was busily posting pictures from those investigations and everything at the Diner, or was that before your time? How many named, photographed and pictures posted like a wanted poster can take place before someone isn't a mystery men?

Quote from: TDoS on Sep 06, 2024, 03:51 PMInteresting. I once traveled 1500 miles to chat with you.

No, according to YOU that trip wasn't made to chat with me, you just "happened to be nearby" on some other mission and "took a little side trip" to skulk around at the Festival and chat with me incognito without revealing who you were or even bringing up your favorite topics of Peak Oil or Geochemistry which might have rung a bell with me so I would recognize you.  This is hardly "showinhg respect".  It's more like "STALKING".      The IRL version of what you do here online with me.

RE

Quote from: RE on Sep 07, 2024, 06:34 AM

Quote from: TDoS on Sep 06, 2024, 03:51 PMInteresting. I once traveled 1500 miles to chat with you.

No, according to YOU that trip wasn't made to chat with me, you just "happened to be nearby" on some other mission and "took a little side trip" to skulk around at the Festival and chat with me incognito without revealing who you were or even bringing up your favorite topics of Peak Oil or Geochemistry which might have rung a bell with me so I would recognize you.  This is hardly "showinhg respect".  It's more like "STALKING".    The IRL version of what you do here online with me.
RE

Holy run on sentence batman.

Yes...there was other travel involved. And it was nowhere near South Carolina, so while perhaps the total deviation wasn't 1500 miles, it was substantially more than a normal person's "nearby", not even being in the same part of the country, and an entire nother days drive away. Of course, "nearby" is relative. To K-Dog who doesn't seem to get out much, 50 miles might be nearby. To you, "nearby" might only be where the facilities van will haul you, what is that, maybe 20 miles? To me "nearby" is the L48, My drives to Alaska are about the only place I've driven that doesn't qualify as "nearby". My concept of a "drive" isn't like normal peoples. You've got your million miles doing it professionally, my total now stands at 1.4 million cage miles ( motorcycles are another quarter million). So, maybe nearby for me, not anywhere in a nearby universe to you or K-Dog.

Walking up to you and beginning a conversation is hardly skulking. Or stalking. I wasn't there to discuss my areas of interest, but to see how IRL you presented yours. And how seriously you took this SUN thing. The after pictures and stories of drunken revelry and poor scooter riding at the lake house would seem to negate the seriousness of the venture at the end of the day.

And while I am hell on wheels when it comes to peak oil, geochemistry doesn't even make my top 10 favorite topics...maybe you've confused me with someone else? 

Quote from: TDoS on Sep 07, 2024, 09:07 AMAnd while I am hell on wheels when it comes to peak oil, geochemistry doesn't even make my top 10 favorite topics...maybe you've confused me with someone else? 

Oh good grief.  Going into Mr. Peabody's WATBAC machine, you claimed to be an expert in this branch of scientic research with numerous papers published blah blah blah.  An engineering degree I recall from Notre Dame ot some other 3rd tier school.  I'm pretty sure it wasn't from one of the top ranked schools for Petrogeology related field, since you have a huge chip on your shoulder regarding education.

Geochemistry is the branch of Earth Science that applies chemical principles to deepen an understanding of the Earth system and systems of other planets. Geochemists consider Earth composed of discrete spheres — rocks, fluids, gases and biology — that exchange matter and energy over a range of time scales.

The Top 3 schools for the subjects are:

Australia National University
Cambridge University
China University of Geosciences Beijing

Down further come MIT & Stanford and University of Texas at Austin just makes the Top 10.  I recall you mentioning them at some point.

Regardless of any of that, your cloak and dagger adventure to ole Dixie to have a chat with me about EVs was so amazing until you reminded me of the chat I had no memory of meeting you whatsoever.  You were just another faceless person I talked to that day about the SUN project & EV Scooters.

RE

Quote from: RE on Sep 07, 2024, 05:07 PMRegardless of any of that, your cloak and dagger adventure to ole Dixie to have a chat with me about EVs was so amazing until you reminded me of the chat I had no memory of meeting you whatsoever.

Ain't no one here but us geriatrics at this point, and undoubtedly none of our memories are as good as they once were.

Quote from: REYou were just another faceless person I talked to that day about the SUN project & EV Scooters.
RE

You were wearing all black, which was kind of weird in the days heat. And that hat. Dave and Monsta were mostly over by their own sunshade, they had a cooler, seems like someone was using it for a seat, Eddy wasn't around. The boy that asked about the scooter was black. From where we were standing, the SUN sunshade was to my right, Wendy was manning it, John was out in the sun at a table doing something bambooey with a few lookers on. Only that one boy interrupted us.

None of our memories are as good as they once were. Some are better than others perhaps. 

I had a white beard. Perhaps that helps?

My memory is fine.  The meeting was unremarkable and non memorable for me.  It holds importance only in your mind that somehow we met IRL and this validates your participation here as "real".  It doesn't and the encounter was a waste of your driving time and gas.  Any further mention of it will earn you another trip to the cooler.

RE