No, it's collapsing way faster and it's not just Amerika, it's global.  Also, the scale of the collapse is way bigger.  There are 50X as many people alive today as were in 500 AD.

Beyond that, we hadn't polluted the oceans with microplastics and stuffed the atmosphere with CO_2.  Also, the Rome collapse had no effect whatsoever on people living in North & South America, and little effect on China, Japan or India, which in aggregate was more people than the Roman Empire was in control of.

In short, today's collapse is far worse and more pervasive than the Roman one, and will be far worse.

https://megaphone.link/VMP1891642744

https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/380428/america-democracy-politics-ancient-rome-2024-election

Is America collapsing like ancient Rome?

RE

Good point.  The knee-Jerk reaction is things could not be that bad.  Reason being we have civilization and they did not I guess.

Quote from: RE on Nov 04, 2024, 10:17 AMIs America collapsing like ancient Rome?
RE

Nah. It might be collapsing more like The Great Dieoff (claimed in 1970) scheduled for the late 1980's. That had the advantage of the environmental degradation built in that has only gotten worse since then. Peak oil had its shot in 2005, but that was a real fart in a whirlwind. Nuke war has always been pretty reasonable, but that one hasn't gone anywhere in half a century either, but we can cross our fingers because it could happen fast nd give folks what they've been looking for like...tomorrow.

I'm good mostly with the environmental angle nowadays. Certainly politics isn't even on my "here we go again with the end of the world" scenarios. Yellowstone going BOOM has a better chance than politics. And Planet X. Again.

Nah, the knee-jerk reaction.

CO2 & methane has done it before.


Nuclear war could make things worse.  Regardless the mass of humanity will become extinct.

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 04, 2024, 11:07 PMRegardless the mass of humanity will become extinct.

Regardless of anything, humanity will become extinct. The Sun continues getting lighter every single day.

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 06, 2024, 03:56 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 04, 2024, 11:07 PMRegardless the mass of humanity will become extinct.

Regardless of anything, humanity will become extinct. The Sun continues getting lighter every single day.

There is nothing we can do to stop the inevitable, but in the short term < 10,000 years collapse could have been avoided.  Civilization could have reached a point we can't imagine.  But that is not going to happen.

The far future is not under our control, the near future was.

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 07, 2024, 10:33 AM

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 06, 2024, 03:56 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 04, 2024, 11:07 PMRegardless the mass of humanity will become extinct.

Regardless of anything, humanity will become extinct. The Sun continues getting lighter every single day.

There is nothing we can do to stop the inevitable, but in the short term < 10,000 years collapse could have been avoided.

If 10,000 years from Cro-Magnon showing up, getting "smart", and wrecking the climate is the time period, I'd say we are WAY past our expiration date already then.

Quote from: K-DogThe far future is not under our control, the near future was.

Human control is just another illusion. The idea that the different nations of the world could cooperate, going back say a century or two is just a bad joke. Dunbar's Number matters, and works against it from the get-go.