Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 07:25 AMThe wife has given up. She has decided to tell the neighbors I collect classic cars in the hopes they are fooled, and just apologizes for the POS's in our driveway.

Nice project, nothing quite like a luxobarge and my 77 Chrysler will see the road again. Mitsubishi 4x4 pickup is now a high mile hero on 460k km and when it gets to half million I will put it aside but keep it registered. I said way back when I bought it the next new car i get will be Electric. Cant justify an EV conversion on a 69 Datsun coupe I have as primary transport, because of crash safety for family and no real cargo space.  BYD Seal with 580km range for about 45k look good

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 19, 2025, 04:23 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 03:01 PMYou imply the DOGE team is earning it's money by claiming their bank robbery has socially necessary value?

After Nixon's Watergate and Clinton's Monicagate, I might call Trump's scandal Elongate.

This is in a different class than cum on the carpet or breaking into a building.  This is treason.  Watergate did not cause social collapse, and Monicagate did not make millions unemployed, and then trigger a recession as the cherry topped whipped cream of a pie slice of shit.

Spinning what is going on now by comparing to with what Nixon or Clinton did makes it seem like what is going on now is of no great consequence.  This is something a propagandist might do deliberately, or an average guy might do until it is pointed out to them, and they see the error of their ways.

Do you really see destroying government agencies without authority, and placing millions of people on the unemployment line to be the same as a blow job in a sacred room.

Seriously?

Watergate and Monicagate caused nothing like this.


Mental illness is at work, no argument there!

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 03:01 PM

QuoteHow much more does the market value a PhD in data analytics with 2 years experience versus a carpenter with 20?

Who gives two fucks what a PhD in data analytics with 2 years experience is worth? 

It is a thought experiment. In a world where someone can uphold the value of a working man, isn't it resonable to ask who MIGHT be such a creature? Level of education and lack of experience with lack of advanced education and decades of experience? 

I'm not sure I know the answer myself, but the MARKET certainly gives two fucks, even if you don't. It is just a curiouity to me, the entire "working man ethos" and whether or not it can apply to both of these folks?

Quote from: K-DogThat has nothing to do with anything here.  Nobody on the DOGE team has those qualifications, so what is your point?

Generally speaking, the DOGE goons looked to be technical oriented types, versus the standard run of the mill "working man".....unless of course a working man CAN be a PhD in data analytics with minor experience versus a more traditionally defined "working man", in the sense of Aaron Tippin's song.

Quote from: K-DogYou imply the DOGE team is earning it's money by claiming their bank robbery has socially necessary value?  What other point could you have.

I didn't use the word "DOGE". The topic simply generated a thought experiment as to what IS working man? I picked a specific NON-DOGE example, setting it up as just a high education level with minor experience, versus someone more a high school education but decades of tradecraft experience.

No DOGE involvement anywhere.

Quote from: K-DogFor someone who claims expertise in stochastics you should have known better.

I provided my reference to the median wages and I'll stick with it. Not sure the ability to link to current wage informtion on current median wages has anything to do with stochastic modeling though.

Quote from: RE on Mar 19, 2025, 09:10 AMMedian weekly income for wage earners in 2024 was between $1100-1300 for 2024 according to that report, depending if you were male or female.  So annually, it's more like $53K.

RE

My link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 05:33 PM

Quote from: RE on Mar 19, 2025, 09:10 AMMedian weekly income for wage earners in 2024 was between $1100-1300 for 2024 according to that report, depending if you were male or female.  So annually, it's more like $53K.

RE

My link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

You can stick with it after you admit you switched in data for 2024 and the subject is 2023 data.  My 2023 data is still there.  2023 data. 

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 19, 2025, 05:00 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 07:25 AMThe wife has given up. She has decided to tell the neighbors I collect classic cars in the hopes they are fooled, and just apologizes for the POS's in our driveway.

Nice project, nothing quite like a luxobarge and my 77 Chrysler will see the road again. Mitsubishi 4x4 pickup is now a high mile hero on 460k km and when it gets to half million I will put it aside but keep it registered.

I had an old boss, owner of the company, he drove one of those regular cab 2X4 Mitsubushi pickups until the body dissolved and he couldn't find little parts like alternators and stuff. Indestuctible. My mom bought a Dodge Colt (a renamed Mitsubushi) back in the 70's somewhere. She did the same thing with it, when done it sat in the backyard and rusted. After 5 years in the yard she sold it to a guy who wanted the motor and tranny, dropped it into a handbuilt oversized go-cart chassis and drove it for another decade like an off road dune buggy thing. Indestructible.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenI said way back when I bought it the next new car i get will be Electric. Cant justify an EV conversion on a 69 Datsun coupe I have as primary transport, because of crash safety for family and no real cargo space.  BYD Seal with 580km range for about 45k look good

The wife is demanding a new electric once the anti-EV maga movement causes auto manufacturers to want to offload them for a song while they can. Friday the new Level 2 charger goes in, dedicated circuit of 220V and 50AMP wiring, probably can't get 12 kWh rates but current car can't take plus 6 anyway. Who cares, $0.03/kwh....let ICE owners allow liquid fuels to steal all their lunch money....

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:46 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 05:33 PMMy link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

You can stick with it after you admit you switched in data for 2024 and the subject is 2023 data.  My 2023 data is still there.  2023 data. 

I didn't dispute your source at all. Or its number. I just provided an updated number is all. Looks like folks have been making more recently (2024) in the new high inflation world. Probably not a surprise, over all.

A better way of doing this might be like an inflation adjusted series, going back to "the good ol' days", of both median wages and costs of stuff, cars, houses, college. That would be the big eye opener, comparing today to "the good ol' days". If the point is excentuating how the salary/value/cost of living has changed, someone has done that and it is probably a great data series. 

Your data works out to a thirty dollar an hour median wage.  Something is rotten, and this is not Denmark.  Last year the median wage was only a bit over 25 an hour.

Who would want to make things look better than they really are?  Do we have any suspects?

Quote"Everyone will prosper. Every family will thrive. And every day will be filled with joy, and opportunity and hope."

The first step in selling this snake oil is to make everyone think they are being left behind, and the Trump machine now runs this asset:

https://www.bls.gov/  Nothing from official sources can be believed now.  Not that official sources were trustworthy before.  But now the situation is clarified.  The sheep will of course take the official word as god given.  Trump never liked the press.  Now he owns it.

A median wage of 30 an hour at this time if bullshit.  Next year if we have Argentinian inflation the median wage could be a lot higher.  So far we have not had enough inflation to justify the reality of such an increase.

Average is believable, but not median.  Somebody did a switcheroo.  Or there is cherry picking.  Serious cherry picking.

Here is what the BLS might have reported six months ago.  Before the most dishonest man in America took it over.

Real hourly wage (2024$)

A very nifty graph.  With a median value of $24.75.  My $25 was close, but a bit high.  Close because I know what the fuck I am talking about.

62K a year puts you in the 90th percentile.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:59 PMA median wage of 30 an hour at this time if bullshit.  Next year if we have Argentinian inflation the median wage could be a lot higher.  So far we have not had enough inflation to justify the reality of such an increase.

Average is believable, but not median.  Somebody did a switcheroo.  Or there is cherry picking.  Serious cherry picking.

Due to inflation, the median income is rising, and precisely where it falls doesn't tell us much.  You get a better sense of the problem looking at the distribution chart.  Most recent I found is from 2023.



The median gets skewed upwards because that last bar actually rises 4X as high as as the next highest bar.  This disparity has been steadily increasing since the 70s.  You can see the change from this comparative chart.



Using my rule of thumb, practically speaking people in the Investor Class with stock portfolios come from the blue and purple  bars in the first chart.  For people in the green area, thheir main asset wealth is in real state, the McMansion they live in.  Yellow and beige people struggle to meet their bills and have no savings.  Mostly renters.

RE

Tough audience.. 'elongate' means to stretch out to form a shape of extended parallelogram

Ill come clean.. sorry couldn't resist that. I don't know anything about DOGE other than these 3 things:

1 what the acronym stands for

2 federal workers were asked to name 5 tasks

3 they claim to have found people over 120 yrs old drawing a salary

As I see it, federal govt workers would have a lot of benefits and entitlements accrued, with big packages to be paid out. That is going to be part of each depts budget, which they definitely don't have on hand. The Superannuation funds which will almost certainly be a fed govt one most choose with lower fees than other funds would also go under if they have to pay out too many ppl

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i also need help to post a foto, to make my case i am not a crackpot and elon may be a literal woman

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 19, 2025, 07:33 PMi also need help to post a foto, to make my case i am not a crackpot and elon may be a literal woman

Mrs. Dog got wind of it and is looking for info.  Seems the baby mamas all had to be artificially inseminated and are sworn to secrecy.  If they squeal they loose the money.  So not a full woman exactly, but something that needs the help of modern medicine to propagate its superior genes.  Perhaps it lays eggs?

All photos are links, Perhaps Instagram could host your photos?

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 09:01 PMSo not a full woman exactly, but something that needs the help of modern medicine to propagate its superior genes. 

That would explain the twins and triplets.  Use of fertility drugs increases the likelihood of multiple births.

RE

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:59 PMThe first step in selling this snake oil is to make everyone think they are being left behind, and the Trump machine now runs this asset:

https://www.bls.gov/  Nothing from official sources can be believed now.

Trump became King Trumpster on January 20. The report from BLS I quoted was released on January 22.

Is it more reasonable that a government report, undoubtedly weeks if not months in the making, was just another governmnet report, or that Trumpster had a hard on for perpetrating lies across so many government reports at once he demanded blanket lying before he even had personnel installed to issue the orders to do the lying, or did some highly focused lying, or targeted only a few reports, and had a boner over THIS one?

Maybe about now you can't believe the BLS, but 2 days after he took over? Seems unlikely.