How long before Trumpolini tries to deport Zohran?  What's the over-under?

Don't mess with the Zohran!


Trump's Threat to Jail Foes Darkens, Prompting Epic Retort from Zohran

https://newrepublic.com/article/197565/trump-threat-jail-foes-darkens-prompting-epic-retort-zohran

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Cost them votes? Maybe they should consider that socialism would GAIN votes.  Perhaps people are finally fed up enough with being butt fucked by capitalist mythology they WANT a real choice for socialism out of the Demodope party instead of getting multicultural capitalism?

Of course, should he win doubtless Trumpolini will invade NYC and have him arrested as a threaat to "national security".

Civil War creeps closer by the day.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/01/democrats-fret-the-zohran-mamdani-effect-will-cost-them-next-year-00531906

Democrats fret the Zohran Mamdani effect will cost them next year

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Quote from: RE on Sep 01, 2025, 07:54 PMCost them votes? Maybe they should consider that socialism would GAIN votes.  Perhaps people are finally fed up enough with being butt fucked by capitalist mythology they WANT a real choice for socialism out of the Demodope party instead of getting multicultural capitalism?

Multicultural capitalism indeed you've got it right! That is what American socialism has become.

Large cities are full of small political parties, reading groups, and the like. Many of these "third-party" groups have socialist in their name. An example might be the "Podunk Revolutionary Socialists," and you can swap "Podunk" with Anchorage, Seattle, Chicago, or wherever you like. Seattle, for instance, has the "Freedom Socialist Party," which is focused almost exclusively on women's rights. It also has the "Seattle Revolutionary Socialists," whose primary concern is LGBTQ+ issues, especially trans rights, and little else.

The Socialist Alternative and some parts of the DSA have a clearer focus, but they remain confused.

Workers are the cornerstone of any genuine socialist movement. Yet workers are not the focus in American bourgeois socialism, which is now the only kind of socialism most Americans recognize. Real socialism, rooted in class struggle, has been forgotten. The days when Americans knew what socialism actually is are long gone.

American bourgeois socialism is about individual rights and multicultural identity, where anything goes and nothing matters. The myth of the middle class diluted the appeal and understanding of socialism by creating a population invested in the capitalist system. Individual prosperity took precedence over collective class struggle which is now an abandoned notion. American socialists today are mostly petite bourgeois. And the petite bourgeois, in particular the American petite bourgeois, have always been fickle allies of the working class.

They support change when it suits them, but quickly abandon change when faced with personal hardship or the lure of individual gain. Many Americans call themselves socialists, yet they worship billionaires.

It's a shame, because America has a rich history of socialism.

Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 02, 2025, 04:26 AMMulticultural capitalism indeed you've got it right!

I thought that was a pretty apt way to describe it.    If it ever gains traction, remember you heard it here first.

The reality is that on an economic level, there is no difference  between the Reps & Dems.  Both parties are captured by the moneyed class and the international banking cartel.  The only differences are in the social issues on race and gender relations.  The Dems consistently lose because their policies and platform there don't reflect how most people feel about these issues, and they don't address the true cause of discrimination, which are economic.  Until there is a true Democratic Socialist alternative that is national, you can't bring all the people unhappy with the status quo under one banner.

Hopefully, Zohran's success will be the beginning of such a national organization.

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Quote from: RE on Sep 03, 2025, 12:26 AMHopefully, Zohran's success will be the beginning of such a national organization.
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So "success" is getting a Bachelors degree in studying ones ancestral heritage, worked in hip hop and counseled people in...housing (is that a realtor?)....before he began his political career ie Kissing babies, telling lies and making promises he can't keep and...became a Democratic nominee.....not ELECTED mind you...just a nominee. Like....prm queen in high school...except with more votes involved.

So....have social definitions of "success" changed since us...aging like wine senior citizens.....were younger?

Being nominated for mayor in NYC is not a 'success' why.  I have not done that, and neither have you.

Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 05, 2025, 09:36 AMBeing nominated for mayor in NYC is not a 'success' why.  I have not done that, and neither have you.

Well, because being elected is a popularity contest....as opposed to a "success" contest. Now, he has won another election, New York State Assembly? So he started off as like...a local prom queen popularity winner. Success? Knowing the qualities of a prom queen or two in high school....eh.

And true, neither of us have been nominated for Mayor. Neither of us were born in Uganda. Neither of us picked a college degree in our ancestral history as opposed to technical fields. Both of us had careers in our speciality.  Both of us did well financially in our careers, achieving signifcant net worth. I might call that a success.

If he had already won the election than that would be a political success. What does that mean though? That kissing babies, telling lies and making promises one can't keep though is something we should all aspire to? 

Marx said, one thing he knew for sure was that he is not a Marxist.  Jesus knew he was not a Christian too.  Jesus had different values.  Jesus died on a cross.  He did not wear one around his neck.

Chris Hedges says that he is not a Marxist.  When I heard that the first thing that went through my mind was -- "don't be so chickenshit" --, which instantly made no sense.  Chris takes risks.  Lots of them.  Listening to him more, I get it over my nonsense and agree.

Marx new to base his analysis in real material conditions, but he was an idealist in his own way.

The state can't wither away,  it must exist in an appropriate form of power, existing to restrain inappropriate bourgeois power.  Men like Donald Trump will always come along with their elite bourgeois perversions of state power.  They must be restrained.

If the state withers away, evil fills the vacuum.  This is what happened in America.  The state withered away by discarding its social function, transmuting itself into an arm of rich and powerful business interests shrinking to an elite core.  Now evil fills the vacuum.  The state is a tool of class rule, but it is also an essential protector against anarchy and individual predation.  Angry people forget this, and only see one side of the coin.  The very abuses of power that Marx sought to eliminate demands an enduring, organized political power.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/24/young-men-democrats-us-elections

Why did young men move left in this month's US elections?

😁😁😁

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