Quote from: RE on Nov 02, 2025, 03:49 AMWhat is the point here?
RE

Apparently, that you couldn't come up with a response to the 3 paragraphs that preceeded the one you decided to  respond to.

How about if it is phrased as a simple question?

What is the perspective disadvantage to someone with zero ability to ground truth the veracity of the information flowing to them throufh the internet?

OLATUNANDER.SUBSTACK.COM • 2024-12-09

How will the Ukraine War end?

Oreshnik missile warheads hitting a Dnipro defence industry plant in Ukraine on 21 November 2024. This missile was not armed with explosives. It hit the target at a speed of 3 km per second (at a temperature of 4000 degrees Celsius). It is a kinetic energy weapon (KEW) possibly comparable to a very small nuclear bomb.


An interesting article.  So many have died, and for nothing.  Anybody who advocates for aid to Ukraine has blood on their hands.  If you do, you probably hate Palestinians too.  And that sort of rhymes.

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 02, 2025, 10:55 AMAnybody who advocates for aid to Ukraine has blood on their hands.  If you do, you probably hate Palestinians too.

So...guilt by association for starters? (being unaware of the anti-Ukraine back story) and then a correlation presented as a given? Again, undoubtely a backstory of some sort.

So....do I get banned for asking about the backstories and correlations, or do I just carnac them and hope for the best?

Just guessing without any forum background it would seem that advcoates for Ukraine and Palestinians would be on the same side, as opposed to opposite sides?

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 02, 2025, 10:45 AM

Quote from: RE on Nov 02, 2025, 03:49 AMWhat is the point here?
RE

Apparently, that you couldn't come up with a response to the 3 paragraphs that preceeded the one you decided to  respond to.

There's enough information in the public record to deduce

How about if it is phrased as a simple question?

What is the perspective disadvantage to someone with zero ability to ground truth the veracity of the information flowing to them throufh the internet?

Keyboarding out more seemed unnecessary, and I keep things brief these days.  There's enough information in the public record to deduce that the FSoA political system is FUBAR. I don't need to be pals with a CONgress Critter to figure this out. I see no perspective disadvantage.

RE

Quote from: RE on Nov 02, 2025, 01:58 PMKeyboarding out more seemed unnecessary, and I keep things brief these days.

I understand. And how is the healing progressing?

Quote from: REThere's enough information in the public record to deduce that the FSoA political system is FUBAR.

Dependent upon one's definition of FUBAR, ok. I am certainly not happy with current events any better than you and K-Dog I imagine, but I don't assign some of the long term, or as severe, interpretations as you and K-Dog do.

Quote from: REI don't need to be pals with a CONgress Critter to figure this out. I see no perspective disadvantage.
RE

Perspective on societal issues requires no relationship of any kind with Congresss critters. But it strikes me that any perspective, on most any topic, is improved with more information, the right kinds of information sources, understandings one's own bias on the topic, the ability to think critically and logically to cut through the ever growing noise to signal ratio online, etc etc.

* Fucked Up Beyond All Repair/Recognition.

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Quote from: TDoS on Nov 02, 2025, 11:54 AMJust guessing without any forum background it would seem that advcoates for Ukraine and Palestinians would be on the same side, as opposed to opposite sides?

Unlikely.  Ukraine and Israel are both Fascist states.

RE

Quoteadvcoates Advocates for Ukraine and Palestinians would be on the same side, as opposed to opposite sides?

They would be on opposite sides, an advocate for the war in Ukraine is down with death as fun and games.  An advocate for Palestine would be advocating for an end to death and destruction.  People dying is not fun and games.

You read it wrong. My intent was clear enough.

Quote from: RE on Nov 02, 2025, 05:58 PM* Fucked Up Beyond All Repair/Recognition.

RE

Your definition, and mine, of what "beyond recognition" might mean, or fucked up" even, are relative. I certainly recognize the current political system. And I recognize how it has changed. And can speculate on how to repair it.

Hence my comment. I already knew the words in the abbreviation.

Of course our perspectives are different.  I view the collapse of the FSoA political system as symptomatic of the wider collapse of industrial civilization, you don't.  Given the current trajectory of all the salient indicators of falling birthrate, increasing debt, aging populations, increasing homelessness, increasing military conflicts and decreasing per capita energy consumption and no indication any of the trends will change in the next 30 years at least, likelihood is that conditions will continue to worsen rather than improve.  Since I'll be dead after that I won't be affected by changes that come later, though I suspect they will continue to worsen into the next century.

Time will tell.

RE

Quote from: RE on Nov 02, 2025, 10:51 PMOf course our perspectives are different.  I view the collapse of the FSoA political system as symptomatic of the wider collapse of industrial civilization, you don't.

Oh, you don't really know my views on collapse, other than sure, the Sun is getting lighter by 40 million tons a second, and that is BAD NEWS.

Your sense of timing when it comes to general collapse has morphed over the years, interestingly you were quite pessimistic 16 years ago. And what did the world get out of it? Economic growth, prosperity, even with idiot politicians in charge.

Quote from: REby ReverseEngineer » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 08:33:42

OK gang, I am off to Hawaii. The trip is work related, but I tell you when I booked it a few months ago I didn't even think Alaska Airlines would be flying. Shows how good I am with timelines here on the collapse. LOL.

Back then you seemed to have a sense of humour about how poor your random temporal guessing skills were.

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 03, 2025, 07:06 PMEconomic growth, prosperity, even with idiot politicians in charge.

The standard of living for the median American has declined by 31.7% since 2008.

* This figure is derived from the comparison between the meager growth in real median wages (+3.2%) and the substantial increase in the cost of living (+51%), showing that the purchasing power of the median paycheck has fallen sharply in relation to the costs it needs to cover.

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 03, 2025, 07:06 PMOh, you don't really know my views on collapse

This was a completely predictable response.  No matter what you write, you claim no one understands what you really think or what your motivation is for trolling collapse websites.  Mr. Mysterious.  🙄🙄🙄

I've always had a sense of humor, an attribute you are notably lacking.  I know, we just don't understand your humor.  I'm sure you're hilarious at a conference.

How many Geochemists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A Geochemist an Economist and a Rabbi were out barhopping...

What do you call 50 Geochemists at the bottom of the ocean?


You can guess the punchlines.

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Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 03, 2025, 09:39 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 03, 2025, 07:06 PMEconomic growth, prosperity, even with idiot politicians in charge.

The standard of living for the median American has declined by 31.7% since 2008.

* This figure is derived from the comparison between the meager growth in real median wages (+3.2%) and the substantial increase in the cost of living (+51%), showing that the purchasing power of the median paycheck has fallen sharply in relation to the costs it needs to cover.

Signs of "economic prosperity".













Tdos gets his alternative facts the same place Trumpolini gets his no inflation information.🙄



RE

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 03, 2025, 09:39 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Nov 03, 2025, 07:06 PMEconomic growth, prosperity, even with idiot politicians in charge.

The standard of living for the median American has declined by 31.7% since 2008.

A median in a skewed distribution, how trickstery! But to be honest....need to know how "standard of living" is calculated.

This is what my AI told me about standard of living since 2008.

The American standard of living has improved overall since 2008, driven by gains in life expectancy and education, but this progress has been accompanied by a significant increase in income inequality and a slowdown in the pace of improvement for low- and middle-income Americans.

Key Indicators of the Standard of Living

Economic Growth: The U.S. economy experienced a long expansion after the Great Recession, with average annual GDP growth, though the pace of improvement in consumer spending power slowed considerably to about 0.4 percent per year between 2007 and 2015.

Median Household Income: Real (inflation-adjusted) median household income has seen an overall increase, reaching new highs in recent years after initial declines during and immediately after the recession. However, the gains have been unevenly distributed, with higher-income households seeing larger percentage gains than lower-income households, contributing to increased inequality.
Poverty Rate: The poverty rate initially increased during the Great Recession, reversing some gains from the late 1990s.

Life Expectancy: Health outcomes have generally improved, with most states seeing an increase in life expectancy over the last decade, though the rate of improvement has slowed slightly in some areas.
Education: Educational attainment has seen broad improvements across the country, with increases in high school and college degree attainment rates in most states, which typically leads to better long-term outcomes.
Cost of Living and Wages: A significant challenge has been the divergence between wage growth and the cost of essential goods like housing and healthcare, with these costs inflating at a higher rate than wages for the bottom 60% of earners. This means many working- and middle-class Americans feel "left behind" despite overall positive economic metrics.

Perception: Public perception shifted from general concern during the recession, when many felt their standard of living was getting worse, to more positive expectations in the years following, although satisfaction with the current standard of living has remained relatively stable over time.

So...how where did your 31.7% come from? I required more than some number from wherever from my AI, turn your AI loose on my AI's explanation, I'd really like them to iron this out for us.