Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 22, 2023, 11:04 AMAs Diners know a barrel of oil is worth 20,000 energy slaves.

I didn't know the math that way.  According to Jason Heppenstall, Homo Saps on the planet are the equivalent of 22 Billion Energy Slaves.  Divide by 8 Billion people, 1 person= ~3 Energy Slaves.  How much is an energy slave worth?  1 gallon of gas?  1 Kw of electricity?  1 Joule?  1 BTU?  Dunno.

The point of this number of course is to demonstrate how much Work a Homo Sap can do versus how much Work a Barrel of Oil can do, but that number varies on the type of machine the oil is used to run and its efficiency at converting Heat to Work.  Muscles are actually very efficient converters of chemical energy to work without burning the same way you burn oil to get work done, which usually involves pistons or turbines.  Muscles take ATP and the energy released by breaking a phosphate bond to make the muscle contract, and the ATP is formed by running glucose through an electron transport chain that adds enough energy to ADP to allow it to hook on an extra phosphate group.  Basic biochemistry here.  The glucose is the energy fuel homo saps use, along with fat (oil) which we use to store energy on our bodies.  That tire around your waistline is actually your personal gas tank of stored energy.

FAT on your body is actually close to equal in energy to a similar quantity of oil, but you would have to be darn fat to carry around 55 gallons of body fat.  Say the typical person carries 10 gal of fat?  So you have to render down 5 people to fill one 55 gallon drum of oil! 

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Quote from: RE on Nov 22, 2023, 01:11 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 22, 2023, 11:04 AMAs Diners know a barrel of oil is worth 20,000 energy slaves.

I didn't know the math that way.  According to Jason Heppenstall, Homo Saps on the planet are the equivalent of 22 Billion Energy Slaves.  Divide by 8 Billion people, 1 person= ~3 Energy Slaves.  How much is an energy slave worth?  1 gallon of gas?  1 Kw of electricity?  1 Joule?  1 BTU?  Dunno.

It is a hard number to quantify, some assumptions need to be made but roughly if a young fit slave you should net 1kwh of work from him, less as they age.

Quote from: 18hammers on Nov 22, 2023, 02:24 PM

Quote from: RE on Nov 22, 2023, 01:11 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 22, 2023, 11:04 AMAs Diners know a barrel of oil is worth 20,000 energy slaves.

I didn't know the math that way.  According to Jason Heppenstall, Homo Saps on the planet are the equivalent of 22 Billion Energy Slaves.  Divide by 8 Billion people, 1 person= ~3 Energy Slaves.  How much is an energy slave worth?  1 gallon of gas?  1 Kw of electricity?  1 Joule?  1 BTU?  Dunno.

It is a hard number to quantify, some assumptions need to be made but roughly if a young fit slave you should net 1kwh of work from him, less as they age.

How many kwh in a 55 gal drum of crude?  How much after it is refined down to gas?  Down to Diesel?  Down to jet fuel?

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I have an answer.

One approximation suggests that a barrel of oil contains roughly 4.5 to 6 years of human labor,

That tells us nothing.  I have to chew on this.

One gallon of diesel can take a fully loaded semi up a 10% grade over a mountain pass and the engine will cut out just as the truck reaches the summit.


Now using a series of posts sunk into the road on which hand winches can attach we find out how long it takes One Joe Six Pack to winch the truck up the same path.

Several weeks of cranking to produce the same result for sure.  The time to move between hitching posts does not count.  Diesel is obtained from a barrel of crude at an efficiency of slightly less than half.  So twenty gallons (a barrel is 42) times several weeks. 

Is in the ball park of 4.5 to 6 years considering a barrel gives more than diesel when it is refined.

* If the earth is 4.5 billion years old and Sisyphus had been rolling stone all that time he would have rolled up the equivalent of a third of Alaska's total oil endowment (as of 2021) in terms of energy used.  But Sisyphus is a good stone roller.  He would have put out the equivalent of all of Alaska's oil by now.



Twenty thousand slaves harnessed in front of a semi truck like the twenty mule teams of the old west could haul the semi no problem.  Only a few hundred would be needed.

A human being can sustainable produce 50-150 watts of mechanical energy. That number seems pretty consistent across most sources I've found researching various energy topics. A gallon of gasoline has roughly 34 kWhrs of energy in it. So at the high end assuming a 30 percent efficiency in a gas engine, and a fit human say 34 x 0.3 /0.15 or 68 hours of labour for the labour of 1 gallon of gasoline. I don't like when they use the full energy content of gas and substitute it for labour as it does not take into account the efficiency of use. I did just amend my original numbers as I was using numbers for younger more athletic types. I was fascinated with human powered machines for a while. There was even a thread I used to follow where a recombinant bicycle was hooked up to a hydraulic pump to run tractor accessories. There are efficiencies to be gained though to cut that number down. Take an excavator for example. Having hand dug many 4 ft deep 25 in wide footing holes I can tell you they are awesome. They can easily replace my 24 hours of digging with 1 hour of work. Then it gets messy though. They get freighted in by truck, must use roads that are built with fuel, often coated in asphalt, and have a staggering embedded energy number. So all those numbers should count against their efficiency but I never see that part written down.

Quote from: 18hammers on Nov 22, 2023, 02:24 PM

Quote from: RE on Nov 22, 2023, 01:11 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Nov 22, 2023, 11:04 AMAs Diners know a barrel of oil is worth 20,000 energy slaves.

I didn't know the math that way.  According to Jason Heppenstall, Homo Saps on the planet are the equivalent of 22 Billion Energy Slaves.  Divide by 8 Billion people, 1 person= ~3 Energy Slaves.  How much is an energy slave worth?  1 gallon of gas?  1 Kw of electricity?  1 Joule?  1 BTU?  Dunno.

It is a hard number to quantify, some assumptions need to be made but roughly if a young fit slave you should net 1kwh of work from him, less as they age.

A have to flesh that number out more, I ment 1 kwh a day net. I am going by working him 12 hrs a  day, every day (he is a slave after all) assuming 100 watts output an hour, the extra 200whrday are energy requirements needed for his own food production, medical care clothing and such. I base the power produced by my own estimates and experience in cycling. Though I would make a poor slave at my age as I can only sustain 50 to 75 watt output on my bike. I do have power meters on ( Volts, amps, and watts) my electric bikes so I can measure my own contribution. I believe 1kwh a day to be a reasonable estimate.

Eco-socialism? Has the DD turned into a WEF outpost? You guys get that the eco-socialists are already in control of our institutions and pandemics are just one of the means of their depopulation plans?

Quote from: whd on Nov 23, 2023, 05:12 PMEco-socialism? Has the DD turned into a WEF outpost? You guys get that the eco-socialists are already in control of our institutions and pandemics are just one of the means of their depopulation plans?

Considering the WEF is 100% capitalist which has nothing to do with socialism I have to ask you to clarify what you mean.

Regarding socialism and this website much of it has to do with me.

In line with 'Save as many as you can.' as RE says, my position is that you can't expect people to comply with doing the right thing (whatever that is) unless there is a PAYBACK for them.

Guaranteed work and Universal Heath care are PAYBACKS which the upper class has convinced every right-wing nutter between the east and west coasts to think of as bad.  Are you one of them?  You put eco-socialism and the WEF in the same sentence so I am thinking you may be.

The best thing we could do is implement Carbon Dividends but that would mean 'they' the imaginary left wing hordes of SOCIALISTS would be taking over.

You can't say the eco-socialists are in control when you can't even name one.  I am calling you out on that.  Name an eco-socialist, or if you cannot name one, tell me what one is and I will let you know if you are right or not.

And the prevailing winds of Doom indicate NOBODY is in control.

The WEF is stakeholder fascist, making common cause with the eco-socialists undermining all our institutions. Basically, anyone who thinks climate justice is race and gender justice, aka woke. That is the basic message of the WEF, which is Capitalist like the CCP is capitalist. Green is the new red brigade. CBDC will be the key, all those woke/trans ideologues admining cancellation of anyone questioning the Narrative, like that boy toy leading Canada during Covid. Which means everybody here, likely. .

Quote from: whd on Nov 23, 2023, 07:39 PMBy everybody here I mean, CBDC will get everybody here cancelled.

What is the CBDC?

If you mean -- Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) do tell how changing how rich people define and keep money changes the plight of the poor?

There are many ways to be cancelled, worrying about digital currency being a primary cause is not one of them.  But you are free to disagree and explain why and how.

When I meet people who worry about digital currency the thought always goes through my mind to ask : "You do realize there are three letter government agencies that can already cancel your credit cards any time they want.  Don't you?", but the desire to ask is not strong.  Such people for the most part are talking to themselves and would not listen.  They do not know they already wear chains.

A primary point of a CBDC is to prevent the unwashed masses from buying gas, guns or meat. It will also be tied to AI: "At 3:07pm you stated on ----- website that ------ official is a 'kidfucker'; 150 Fedbits have been deleted from your account"..."Your Fedbit account has been cancelled because you have said three times in the the past thirty days that Fedbits are a conspiracy to cancel dissidents."

Of course Intelligence can cancel your accounts, but that is so 20th century. Once it is all digital and AI, they can all claim it isn't happening.

Yeah, and, line up for your monthly mRNA boosters or lose your Fedbit account....

WHD returns to the Diner packing WMDs for the WEF , mRNA & CBDCs.  WTF I am LMAO.    AFAIK I will BBL.

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I wonder why

Quote"You do realize there are three letter government agencies that can already cancel your credit cards any time they want.  Don't you?"

always gets ignored.  It mystifies me that the truly paranoid never consider that shit already happens.  It always is in a future and never right now to them.

Quote from: RE on Nov 23, 2023, 08:33 PMWHD returns to the Diner packing WMDs for the WEF , mRNA & CBDCs.  WTF I am LMAO.    AFAIK I will BBL.

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This one is Canadian, I am sure, we got them less than two fingers of forehead folks aplenty hear. I blame the fox news blasted up here, All you can do is smile and wave at them.