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CNN.COM • 2026-02-28

US and Israel carrying out strikes against Iran

• Explosions have been reported in multiple Iranian cities including the capital Tehran after Israel and the United States launched strikes Saturday morning.  • US President Donald Trump described the military campaign as “massive and ongoing,” and intended to prevent Iran from putting US lives at risk. He said Iran had been working to rebuild its nuclear program after a June US bombing run on its nuclear facilities.

EZ way to start the war without going to CONgress.  All Trumpolini has to do is sic the Israeli Attack Dog on Iran with a phone call.  They are always happy to oblige and target a few more Towel Head schools and hospitals.

What kind of response will the Ayatollah come up with?  How long will this one go on?  How high can they drive up the price of oil?

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How high can they drive up the price of oil?

Good question. Personal answer? WHO CARES!!!! EVs FOR EVERYONE!

15k at almost the first anniversary of el cheapo EV. Two tire rotations (free) , and perhaps half a gallon of windshield washing fluid ($2).

Down with oil! GO EV!

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Even as sarcasm, that was an astoundingly stupid post.

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Even as sarcasm, that was an astoundingly stupid post.

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When in Rome....

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When in Rome....

...you rape & pillage.  They didn't have internet forums back then, so if you wanted to be astoundingly stupid, you had to do it live and in person, not anonymously in cyberspace.

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When in Rome....

...you rape & pillage.  They didn't have internet forums back then, so if you wanted to be astoundingly stupid, you had to do it live and in person, not anonymously in cyberspace.

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Anonymously?

Having been the one who used said internet to track me and my movements to various conferences, deduced my identity through  cross refencing conference lists, and then began passing around that name and related published work to forum moderators for commentary, suddenly now I am anonymous?

What, in your advancing years did you suddenly forget what you discovered back then?

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What, in your advancing years did you suddenly forget what you discovered back then?

You never confirmed it.  You remain anonymous until you admit who you really are.

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What, in your advancing years did you suddenly forget what you discovered back then?

You never confirmed it.  You remain anonymous until you admit who you really are.

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Why would I? After all, you took Haniels information and searched Linkedin!  I asked Haniel about you, when you put my name out there, about your reliability, character, etc etc. If you would keep your word.

If in fessing up would deliver the benefit you claimed in the moment.

After that conversation it was an easy choice on my part. I leave you to rely on your brilliant intellect. Having found who I was by my Linked In profile.

 

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Not my problem.  You are still anonymous until you confirm your identity.

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This AI stuff is wild. I tried looking people up, like Art "There is No Significant Oil In US Shale" and it did a reasonable job of being...polite. Lacked detail though, particular when he hosed things up. So I looked up myself and that was interesting as well, it found more by just making a small change, but it reasonably quantified and described published works, area of expertise, and contributions to science and whatnot. More than I expected it to know. I've used it for some coding recently, and that was less effective, but still I learned from some of what it laid out.

Not sure I'll take its word for collapse though, considering how differently it has been characterized by the true beleivers.

It knew that David White at the USGS was predicting peak oils as far back as 1919. That isn't a well known one, but it knew. I'll have to poke around on deep research issues and see if it knows that, then ask it to explain why so many folks got it wrong spanning a century and see if it figures out the trick in the question.

It has already made a mistake on hydraulic fracturing, claiming Hubbert didn't know about it in 1956, which he certainly did. It didn't seem to know the timing of when horizontal drilling began either, assigning to a post 1970 time frame as to why Hubbert was wrong.

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Not sure I'll take its word for collapse though, considering how differently it has been characterized by the true beleivers.
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That's your prerogative.  The rest of us here find it reasonable though, so for the purposes of Diner discussion, that's what we'll use.  Better than ice making in any event.

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Not sure I'll take its word for collapse though, considering how differently it has been characterized by the true beleivers.
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That's your prerogative.  The rest of us here find it reasonable though, so for the purposes of Diner discussion, that's what we'll use.  Better than ice making in any event.

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Ice making is quite simple and requires no voluminous verbiage that is the equivalent of "all these things might happen and things could be puttering along with no real consequence".

Most doomers down through the decades always attached cool side effects, all the way back through Ehrlich at the least. Even you speculated on actual consequences beyond what AI provided more than 15 years ago on peakoil.com.

WHy? Because the atraction of doom isn't in socialital simplifcation and other bland discriptions. Without MZBs AI collapse just becomes....Jimmy Carter's malaise.

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Ice making is quite simple and requires no voluminous verbiage that is the equivalent of "all these things might happen and things could be puttering along with no real consequence".

I'd hardly call mass deportations and ICE Gestapo murdering citizens no real consequences.  Bombing Tehran back to the Stone Age is definitely consequential to the Iranians.  Oil tankers bottled up in the Persian Gulf has serious consequences for Chinese factories producing Iphones.

Far as outcomes go, it depends where you live how far along things are.  They are definitely further along in Havana and Caracas than NYC and LA of course.  Be a little patient.  It'll get here in due time.

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I'd hardly call mass deportations and ICE Gestapo murdering citizens no real consequences.

I didn't say ridiculous politic theater isn't a real consequence. I would say it isn't collapse. How many students died at Kent State? Because of idiot law enforcement activities doesn't a collapse make.

Bombing Tehran back to the Stone Age is definitely consequential to the Iranians.  Oil tankers bottled up in the Persian Gulf has serious consequences for Chinese factories producing Iphones.

I agree it is consequential. Like idiot mortgage lenders in 2008, except without bombs. Consequential isn't collapse.

Far as outcomes go, it depends where you live how far along things are.

I agree. If you happen to live in Gaza, you are pretty collapsed. If you lived in Wehrmacht Germany, you were collapsed. All the times Troy was destroyed, probably aexcellent collapse.

All local events, which certainly isn't "societal collapse" as in not just local events. You mentioned an event sometime in past, where geneticists had determined that the human species had been down to like 25,000 breeding pairs or something in the past? THAT I can go for as collapse. Local examples are just local examples, which have always been with us, somewhere in the world.

It'll get here in due time.
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Indeed. The Sun is getting lighter by 40 million tons every second. We are absolutety doomed. But as I have said before, and appears to be far more accurate than all the other doom claims to date, you, and me and K-Dog, our personal dooms are far more likely to arrive before any species level collapse. So for us this is all just jawboning, unless someone is hiding some cool personal collapse story, no food to eat, no health care, our German cars need shipped somewhere to get fixed, no electricity for my EV, whatever.