[TDoS]

Quite outstanding, well written and logical for the dilemma humans are walking into, eyes quite wide open.


The Gargantuan Lie That is Collapsing The World's Climate
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-massive-climate-lie-that-will-destroy-human-civilization

CURRENTAFFAIRS.ORG • 2026-08-06

The Gargantuan Lie That is Collapsing The World’s Climate

The article argues that widespread belief climate change is not urgent, rather than outright denial, fuels institutional and cultural inaction. It contends this narrative obscures severe risks, delays necessary action, and threatens catastrophic human loss.

[RE]

I think an even bigger lie is that even many of those who understand the science underpinning Climate Change think that if we all got together and agreed it's a real problem and did everything possible to stop it that we still can fix it.  The reality is that first off the horse left the barn at least 20 years ago and second there is no political way possible to get every Goobermint and all the people in every country to do what is necessary and 3rd even if that were possible the economic fallout from putting the brakes on the global industrial machine that powers and feeds 8 Billion people would kill nearly as many of them as will die directly from unmitigated climate change.

What does look increasingly more likely is that ever expanding warfare will destroy the infrastructure necessary for extracting, transporting, refining and burning FFs and the global population of Homo Sap will begin its downward spiral until at some point there is less burning of FFs than there is sequestering of carbon through plant life regrowth and the CO2 concentration will start dropping.  This happy day is a long time in the future.  Nearer term, we're thoroughly fucked and it won't get fixed.

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[K-Dog]

What people don't get is that the current level of climate fubar is permanent.  If global corn harvest falls by 10% in a year because of global heating next year you have the same 10% crop loss plus a tiny sliver more of whatever. 

This ratchet.  I should buy myself one when I decide to retire.  They are on isle 7 at work.

The thing about ratchets is that direction lever on top only lets them turn one way.  That is the way CO2 works too.  Oceans take up some of what is in the atmosphere but that is slow compared to what is released.  Oceans take up about 29% of human CO₂ emissions.  One ton is absorbed by oceans for every 3.4 tons that humans emit.

To break even humans have to reduce CO2 emissions by 71%, otherwise concentration only increases.  The ratchet only turns one way and the level of fubar is permanent. 71% is not going to happen.  Even with Trump's help.


No rest for the wicked.  Go to the main page and look at the upper right corner.  Click the upper-right globe, and then look above the globe on top of the Doomscroll. 

The way I watch monthly CO2 shows how much it has changed in a year.  Seasonal variation is filtered out.  That gold ratchet has 90 clicks to turn a circle.  The current annual global warming climate click is at 0.29% and that is the lowest I have seen.  The climate ratchet only turns one way.  Half a percent of click is more typical.

So a bad harvest this year means a bad harvest next year.  There is no backing up.

[TDoS]

I think an even bigger lie is that even many those who understand the science underpinning Climate Change think that if we all got together and agreed it's a real problem and did everything possible to stop it that we still can fix it.

I don't think that is a lie. Some folks actually do believe, others might have believed at one point, that AT SOME POINT IN TIME that progress was being made. As to how many of them of either type is irrelevant. Believers are just believers, they beleive in God to save them, they believe in peak oil because they can't be bothered to learn what it takes to know why even when it finally does happen it won't be the event they think it will be, they believe in whatever nonsense on climate change comes out of their favorite TV channel.

I don't myself believe it is even about BELIEVING, it is about the practical aspect of getting countries of the world to act. The United Nations isn't for shit, all problems and solutions are local, and results of climate change unevenly distributed. Which means some folks are already dying because of it, in some places. Wipe out America west of the Mississippi River and the rest of the world can still just shrug and say "well its because of those westernly winds in America, it won't hurt ANY OF US.

Typical faith based issues.  There is a reason why Apocalypticism is a millinnia old. And arguably has only showed up a time or two, and not even for the reasons claimed, which were usually about the Gods getting angry.

What does look increasingly more likely is that ever expanding warfare will destroy the infrastructure necessary for extracting, transporting, refining and burning FFs and global population of Homo Sap will begin its downward spiral until at some point there is less burning of FFs than there is sequestering of carbon through plant life regrowth and the CO2 concentration will start dropping.  This happy day is a long time in the future.  Nearer term, we're thoroughly fucked and it won't get fixed.

I think humans will continue using those fossil fuels just as they have since claims of the new Ice Age was announced back around 1970. We are slowly doing other things, my EV is about to be joined by a new 14kW solar system and whole house battery backup. The battery feeds the house overnight until the Sun comes up in the morning, the size of the battery and usage in the house at night become my only limiting factors on the electrical side.

The world won't change as fast as we like, but I think that rate of change isn't going to offset consequences at this point. But because the outcomes of climate change will not be evenly distributed, the halfwits who think it isn't true will use examples from one side of the outcome distribution, and and the other halfwits will use the other.

People just be people. In the old days it was religion, which is nothing more than a belief system, the best system of social control ever invented by man. Nowadays it is us versus thems, on whatever "it" might be.

And I think my comment stands that for the 3 of us regulars here, personal doom will get us before any actual collapse has the ability to. You can yearn for being around when the real deal arrives all you'd like, but odds are, at best, the 3 of us will only be able to see the windup.

[TDoS]

What people don't get is that the current level of climate fubar is permanent.

Climate fubar is NEVER permanent. Ask any geologist. 40-50 million years ago present day Seattle was a nearshore, underwater environment. 15000 years ago Seattle was under 1/2 mile of ice. 50 million years ago Anchorage would be sitting in the current vicinity of southern British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest, and probably exist as barely identifiable topography.

Los Angeles will arrive in offshore Alaskan waters in 60 million years, with whatever climate of the time that has moved on from the biped infestation and their brief interruption of the normal life cycle of our planet.

Silly Humans. Tricks are for Kids. There is no climate "permanent" on a planet alive with tectonic activity, regardless of a minor biped infestation.