[TDoS]

And what type of test would you recommend to identify these types of people?

This should do it.

RE explained a topic in an interesting and understandable way. Was worth looking up and seeing how deep that rabbit hole could go, and when you get into all the combinations, the answer is...DEEP.

And when I ask about a test I get....Youtube wanting me to identify myself.....

I'm sure the video has a point.....you know...getting hits and likes or whatnot.....but the real question this generated in my mind is....did you provide a video because they can enunciate or explain said test far better than you can? I'll take the video as an answer of course....if you can vouch for them answering the question I asked.

Unfortuately, what usually happens with video links is the person doing the linking thinks there is a kernel of some sort in there...or maybe even some phrase of concept which answers ALL questions. Maybe it does...maybe it doesn't. Unfortunately, what usually happens with videos....someone likes one...and it becomes a catchall of some sort, and saves someone from having to do anything except wave at someone elses work and say..."Just watch this video and all will be revealed!".

Sort of like....THE BIBLE!!! A wonderful work of history, used by everyone to justify about everything. An advocate slings out a book and verse number, and uses it to prove a point. Or should I say, INTERPRETS it to make a point. And another Bible thumper can then sling out a book and verse contradicting the first..or INTERPRET it as contradicting the first. And then we found religions that fight and kill each other over he said/she said nonsense.

The internet and videos have sort of become like that. If you had kicked out some published research I could get my hands on, that has refernces and argument and logic all rolled up to make the point and can evaluated on its own, that would work! But videos....are....like modern....cartoons.....and while cartoons were usually pretty funny on Saturday morning...they sure weren't ever designed to be very....informative.

[K-Dog]

You look for an answer where none there is.  Living with ambiguity is hard.  A true master practices long to become comfortable with ambiguity.

Consider, that the stupid, unable to find answers for themselves do not know ambiguity at all.  They cannot balance a pencil on its point or consider the nuances of argument.  Nuance at all they cannot see.  Off to it they are turned.  Embracing contradiction and being comfortable with it is a skill that takes practice.  The stupid are too afraid of the empty void to experience contradiction as it is meant to be experienced.

You also have no fucking sense of humor.

[RE]

RE explained a topic in an interesting and understandable way. Was worth looking up and seeing how deep that rabbit hole could go, and when you get into all the combinations, the answer is...DEEP.

Glad it was helpful.  The topic is very deep indeed, and you have to be quite careful extrapolating too far based on what we know about genetics versus what we don't know.  Even scientists in  the field will convey the idea that because we worked out the genetic code carried on DNA, we have all thhe tools we need to work out how a given organism works, just a matter of time in identifying what code sequence is responsible for each phenotype.  Fact is , there is far more we don't know than what we do.

What we do know is that DNA  codes for different proteins, and these proteins serve either as catalysts for a metabolic pathway or as building blocks for the structure of the organism.  Which makes it possible to identify genes responsible for a variety of diseases and sometimes fix them.

Going much beyond this however is still shrouded in mystery.  There is little understanding of how genes code for the gross morphology of an organism, its body plan.  It always bothered me when I discussed it with Eric, and our bio teacher never gave me a satisfactory answer either.  I've also never been happy with the explanations for cell differentiation in different organs, nor with explanation of the organization of the brain by region.  Had I continued my study for a doctorate, this is where I would have focused my research.  The area of study is wide open to this day because it's so mysterious.  Nobel Prize material if you could work it out.

Anyhow, without an understanding of the gross structure to begin with, it's a mistake to go too far using genetics to explain how intelligence works and what traits can be ascribed to specific genes or sets of genes.  You  can however do pretty good statistical studies of populations to see how the numbers shake out, then work backwards to figure how many genes are involved and what's dominant or recessive.  Not much of that being done either, since most of the money is being spent on DNA research that has direct application in pharmaceutical drug synthesis.  That's where the money is.

RE

[K-Dog]

The number of genes defining the subtleties we are discussing is in the hundreds.  But there are some which are very apparent.

BBC.COM • 2025-05-15

Williams Syndrome: The people who are too friendly

People with Williams Syndrome treat strangers as their new best friends. Now the condition is giving clues to our evolutionary past – and what makes us human.

A handful of genes are missing from one chromosome and the body has only the back up copy to code proteins with.  I'll guess that deletion of the missing section from both chromosomes is fatal.

These missing genes have a dramatic affect on behavior and mental capacity.  The article link is good at discussing the underlying biochemistry.  Genes that control social behavior go all the way back.  To before humans were human, and individual genes can control more than one thing in a morass of complexity.  It shows that our analysis here of stupidity being controlled by social genes is not far off.  Or is that just my point of view?

The boundaries and institutions of collapsing empires are well established.  Innovation and change which built an empire once welcomed traits in the early days are considered subversive dissent that challenges the existing. now moribund social arrangement and poser structure. Only compliance is rewarded in a dying empire.  The dying days of empire are days of yes men and sycophants.

And now our social genetics reward stupidity, and stupidity blossoms like flowers in a field.  At the exact time wisdom is needed, it is shunned.

[TDoS]

You look for an answer where none there is.  Living with ambiguity is hard.  A true master practices long to become comfortable with ambiguity.

I do better than just ambiguous, I do probability, high, low, skewed or not, for as many scenarios as someone can dream up.

What I don't do is clicks for random talking heads on Youtube which may, or may not, have anything to do with the topic in question.

[TDoS]

And now our social genetics reward stupidity, and stupidity blossoms like flowers in a field.  At the exact time wisdom is needed, it is shunned.

Well, depends on the field of endeavour I suppose. Haven't seen much shunning at all, folks been paying quite well for the wisdom from those who have it.

[RE]

Well, depends on the field of endeavour I suppose. Haven't seen much shunning at all, folks been paying quite well for the wisdom from those who have it.

Technical expertiese and Wisdom are not synonymous.

RE

[TDoS]

Well, depends on the field of endeavour I suppose. Haven't seen much shunning at all, folks been paying quite well for the wisdom from those who have it.

Technical expertiese and Wisdom are not synonymous.

RE

Of course they aren't. But for those who fell on the right side of your gene combination, and ended up with the right expertise at the right time, and used both to develop not ONLY wisdom but insight into previously unknown concepts and ideas, having both can be quite lucrative.

[RE]

Of course they aren't. But for those who fell on the right side of your gene combination, and ended up with the right expertise at the right time, and used both to develop not ONLY wisdom but insight into previously unknown concepts and ideas, having both can be quite lucrative.

There's no evidence I am aware of that technical expertiese can be used to develop wisdom, or that there is even any correlation between them.

RE

[TDoS]

There's no evidence I am aware of that technical expertiese can be used to develop wisdom, or that there is even any correlation between them.
RE

That is only because "wisdom" can be as amorphous to quantify as ....say....beauty. And correlation? They can be meaningful. Or not.

[Philoso Raptor]

There's no evidence I am aware of that technical expertise can be used to develop wisdom, or that there is even any correlation between them.

True, they are not the same thing.  Technical expertise is a narrow and focused blade.  Wisdom is a broad river, wider than De Nile.

[RE]

There's no evidence I am aware of that technical expertiese can be used to develop wisdom, or that there is even any correlation between them.
RE

That is only because "wisdom" can be as amorphous to quantify as ....say....beauty.

It's more like being funny.  Some people can know a lot of jokes and never get a laugh.   Funny people make others laugh just by observing the truth and pointing it out.

RE

[TDoS]

There's no evidence I am aware of that technical expertise can be used to develop wisdom, or that there is even any correlation between them.

True, they are not the same thing.  Technical expertise is a narrow and focused blade.  Wisdom is a broad river, wider than De Nile.

An excellent way to say it.

And as I said, the combination can be quite lucrative. It isn't a unique combination...but in my experience it is hard to find.