What happens if Israel is charged with Genocide by the ICJ?

K-Dog · Jan 10, 2024, 03:09 AM

So, who is going to apply this pressure and how?

I said it was the only hope. I did not say anybody was going to do it. That is a different issue. Perhaps there is an unknown unknown that would cause another county to try and make western powers eat humble pie? An unrelated proxy power play. If there one is we don't know what it is. So life in Gaza will be mean, brutish and short is the conclusion.

I don't think this one can really be blamed on the oil companies.

It was as American as Apple Pie. With one of the most manipulative musical scores of all time. I had to suffer through it and I am sure you did too. And the six day war. I figured with such a sweeping victory a lot of Arabs must have died, it dominated the TV for six days. Shock and Awe 1960's style. Special programming interrupting my Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. I could not understand how nobody cared about dead Arabs. The Arabs had done nothing to America as far as I knew. Not like the Nazis. I was told they were farmers. What's wrong with that? I did not know about Barbary Pirates until sixth grade. And really, that was kind of a long time ago.

The full movie started playing after the trailer. Of course it did.

RE · Jan 10, 2024, 06:50 AM

Quote from: K-Dog on Jan 10, 2024, 03:09 AMI don't think this one can really be blamed on the oil companies.

I think the better film to grasp MENA history than Exodus is Lawrence of Arabia. Of course it was about the Oil, why do you think the Brits and French wanted to destroy the Ottoman Empire? After that, they just had a bunch of different tribes, no real nations to deal with. A few royal families were made rich by giving them control over various parts of the Empire. Everybody wanted control over as much land as they could negotiate, butt they didn't want many of the people inhabiting it. The Brits had control over Palestine as a protectorate, and that neighborhood was filled with the people everyone surrounding them didn't want. When the state of Israel was created for Jews displaced in Europe during WWII, that divided the Palestinian region, which had no government at all when the Brits left. The King of Jordan didn't want those people, so it's been run over the years by a variety of different factions. They don't like the Israelis and vica versa. The Israelis want the land they live on though, so they've been fighting for it ever since. They took a big chunk of it during the 6 day war.

Why do you think the State of Israel was put there? That's where all the major international Banks operate from. That's who really is in charge there, the banks and the oil companies. The historical animosity has been a useful tool in keeping the neighborhood in a perpetual state of war. It's good for bizness.

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Knarf · Jan 11, 2024, 03:20 AM

Today the ICJ will be hearing arguments about "Jurisdiction" which will last a few daze. THEN the actual trial could take years!!!! Jeeez. Climate will kill us all before they decide this. In the mean time. BAU...escalate this mess into a whole middle east conflict. Distractions and profit while the .0001% move the chess pieces.

K-Dog · Jan 11, 2024, 03:36 PM

Quotearguments about "Jurisdiction" which will last a few daze. THEN the actual trial could take years!!!!

Suffering and pain do not wait, and are here now. The world is forever changing, in constant movement. We don't have time to wait for it to stop moving and it never will.

Accountability begins now.

RE · Jan 11, 2024, 05:56 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36 PMAccountability begins now.

How does accountability progress though?

Take smoking for instance. How were the tobacco companies held accountable for all the cancer victims? Pay some fines, back to BAU. How was anybody held accountable for Cambodian bombing? How was the Holy Roman Catholic Church held accountable for the Inquisition? How were the Cossacks held accountable for the Pogroms? Who was held accountable for the genocide of the original inhabitants of Turtle Island?

There is never accountability for death at the grand scale. You can lay blame, for instance blame the Nazis for WWII, but you can't hold the Germans accountable for electing Hitler. Who are you going to hold accountable for the refugee crisis? Who would you punish and how?

Nobody will ever be held accountable for Palestinian genocide. It may touch off a more widespread hot war in the region, dragging in the Iranians and the Saudis in which case there will be a lot of retaliatory bombing of Israel, but that doesn't make them accountable, it just evens out the death count if it happens.

The total population of Gaza is 590,000. Population of Tel Aviv 435,000. Call it 1M people all together. That is 1/8000th of the world population, 0.0125%. If you wiped them all out, it's a tiny fraction of the number of dead people coming down the pipe. Nobody will be held accountable for the 7 Billion that follow them either.

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K-Dog · Jan 11, 2024, 11:16 PM

You are right. I was referring to Karf's point about the timeline of ICJ justice. And what am I trying to say. It turns out,

QuoteJustice delayed is justice denied

is a legal maxim. Somebody thunk it out before I did.

Implication being, and consistent with what you wrote. We live in an unjust world. Justice is a function of time and place. If there is no desire for justice, none will be found. Justice is man made.

Justice is the foundation of all other virtues. It is the principle that governs our relationships with others and ensures that we treat them with respect and compassion. Justice requires that we treat others as we would like to be treated, with fairness and equality.

Justice is the natural order, but many people it seems, prefer an unnatural order.

Knarf · Jan 12, 2024, 04:47 AM

Very well said, both of you. It's a big mess. As always.

Knarf · Jan 12, 2024, 04:58 AM

BAU will proceed, but there will be a lot of pressure to start relinquishing the stranglehold capitalism has had on us. The competition for resources by the big money holders are conducting this charade we are dancing to. There are many styles of dance. Maybe there will be a new dance that goes viral, and resembles the dance of Kali. We all learn the dance and put our video's in the cloud. Can you imagine the amount of time and money we are spending on cyber protection?

Israel's defense of Genocide and a conditional ceasefire was just on. I almost fell asleep through one guys speech. Either way this hearing turns out, the goose is loose in the barnyard.