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"I am for a good depopulation, where is that button to press! Far to many stupid meat sack's around."

Let the socialists do it and they tend to focus on killing all the smart people who don't need control freaks.

That's why we need to let Thanos do it.  Elon Musk just wants the poor people to die and Billionaires to impregnate as many A list vaginas as they can with the aid of fertility drugs.

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Excess mortality continues to exceed baseline in every vaxxed country.

Yes it does, but as I have explained in excruciatingly long and politically incorrect fashion, it's the BIRTH RATE, not the death rate that is causing the population drop rate of change.  People aren't dying all that much faster (yet), they aren't being BORN! .84 births/woman in Korea, 1.34 bpw in Japan, 1.28 bpw China, 1.64 FSoA.  You gotta go to India which is mostly agrarian and the women are barefoot and pregnant to get just over the 2 needed for replacement at 2.02.

Your obsession with vaxx is blinding you to the real problem.  Relatively speaking, more people dying from whatever cause, war, famine, vaxx, fast food etc is a tiny problem numerically.  A birth rate like S, Korea at .84 could cut their population in half in a generation.

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[K-Dog]

Excess mortality continues to exceed baseline in every vaxxed country.

Yes it does, but as I have explained in excruciatingly long and politically incorrect fashion, it's the BIRTH RATE, not the death rate that is causing the population drop rate of change.  People aren't dying all that much faster (yet), they aren't being BORN! .84 births/woman in Korea, 1.34 bpw in Japan, 1.28 bpw China, 1.64 FSoA.  You gotta go to India which is mostly agrarian and the women are barefoot and pregnant to get just over the 2 needed for replacement at 2.02.

Your obsession with vaxx is blinding you to the real problem.  Relatively speaking, more people dying from whatever cause, war, famine, vaxx, fast food etc is a tiny problem numerically.  A birth rate like S, Korea at .84 could cut their population in half in a generation.

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Korea could cut their population quickly but Korean top dogs who don't care about population will soon be concerned with the number of men in their standing army.  They will propagandize to have the rate back up.

To increase the German population, the Nazis encouraged their teenagers to have lots of sex.  (which they did when the Russians got there)

The Nazis established two organizations to control and manipulate German teenagers. For boys, they had the Hitler Youth and for girls, they created the League of German Girls. They established both organizations in 1936.

The League of German Girls was the girl's wing of the Hitler Youth. Because of sexual promiscuity, the organization got the nickname "The League of German Mattresses."

From a Medium article, which I no longer have a subscription to.  I can't see the rest.

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The League of German Girls was the girl's wing of the Hitler Youth. Because of sexual promiscuity, the organization got the nickname "The League of German Mattresses."

I think "League of German Sluts" has a better ring to it.

Supposedly this technique has been tried by the Japanese but the teens are not interested in having sex, except with their smartphones.

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I wrote this on the 6th extinction forum.  Since the discussion is happening here, I'll copy it into this thread to chew on.

From the Capitalism thread:

The only thing worse than capitalists devouring the biosphere is socialists who talk about saving the planet when what they really are advocating for is genocide.

No, genocide has the-ide suffix, like fratricide, suicide and homicide.  It requires killing people.

Depopulation as it is currently operating is  lowering the birth rate below replacement level.  No killing required.

This is neither a capitalist or socialist phenomenon, it's a biological one and no goobermint of any flavor has found a means to stop it.

Everybody has their own pet theory on why this is happening across so many different countries all at the same time.  Personally, I think it's basically economics, kids just cost more than most people can afford to pay, or want to pay.  There really isn't much reward for it anymore either.  Used to be kids were parents insurance policy for when they got old.  Now, kids either disappear and move away, or they are a continuing drain well into their 20s and 30s.  So why go through all that sacrifice when you can live better without them?

https://www.vox.com/23971366/declining-birth-rate-fertility-babies-children

You can't even pay people to have more kids

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I want to add a related economic reason why we have the lowered birthrate and population decline:  Women's Liberation.

In the 1970s, women began to move into the work force in droves.  This was explained by sociologists as a Liberation of women from the droll role of being a mother and homemaker to having equal opportunity with men to be Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Astronauts...whatever a little girl could dream of for her future could come true.  No longer did she have to restrict her dreams to the fabulous Wedding she would have and glamorous Wedding Dress.

In reality, Women's Liberation was really Women's Enslavement into the Drone Workforce of Capitalism.  Most women did not become Astronauts, they became Bus Drivers, Real Estate sales women and Travel Agents.  They didn't go to work because they wanted to be liberated from being barefooy and pregnant, they went because in the growing Capitalist society it was the only way a couple could afford to buy a house.  You had to have 2 incomes, in most cases.  Unless one person had an Elite level, high paying job like Doctor, to have enough money for a downpayment, the wife had to go to work.  Once they went out, they didn't want to go back.

Although a zillion movies were made depicting the Super Moms who had it all, kids and a fabulous career, the reality was and is if a woman works, if she has time and money enough to pop one new meat package out of her vagina she is doing good.  1 kid instantly wipes out all the economic advantage the couple had by both working, since most of the 2nd income goes to Day Care, Braces, Clothes, Gymnastics or Hockey and saving for the kid's future college tuition.

Women going to work didn't happen just in the FSoA, it happened all over the world, particularly places like China, Japan and Korea, which became the main electronics Factory countries of Capitalism.  For that type of drone production line work, a females finer, smaller fingers were better for assembling transistor radios and cassette tape recorders.  Ever see the inside of an old transistor radio from the days before printed circuits and silicon chips?  All the little resistors and capacitors squeezed together on a bakelite circuit board and wired together with little needlenose pliers.  I made a few Radio Shack project kits for Science Fairs in elementary school.  It is tedious work, and to do this day in and day out 12 hours a day to make radios had to be mind numbing.  Those women were not in the mood for baby making after getting home from work.  Thus, it is the Asian countries that have the absolute lowest birth rates in the world.

Where do they still make enough babies to replace their parents plus additional ones to emmigrate toward the rich low birth rate countries?  You guessed it; countries which still have a primarily agrarian population where Capitalists did not build factories, and where the women are still barefoot and pregnant, and often wearing a hajib.  Muslim countries in the Middle East and Africa, in other words.

Why didn't capitalists put their factories there?  Partially due to political instability and geography, but also because having both the Means of Production AND the Natural resources in the same place would have made those places independent of the trade network and bankers control.  Raping their natural resources and keeping them in perpetual Debt Slavery kept the Capitalist Illuminati rich and powerful, but doing that doomed the Homo Sapiens to perpetual enslavement until all the resources and energy are consumed.

At that point, the current slow depopulation via birthrate decline and gradual shrinkage will turn into a torrent of death and destruction, as Famine, Plague, war & Death consume the planet.

Cometh the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the inevitable result of the Global Conquest of Capitalism, who rode in upon the White Horse, ending with Death upon the Pale Horse, and Hell followed with him.

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.



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Right on cue

https://www.newsweek.com/south-korea-youth-birth-rate-falling-1848201

South Korea's Population Collapse Is Set To Deepen

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[K-Dog]

If anybody watches this and wants to comment I will respond.  I had it playing while I made my last two posts.

The privileged class of the pissed met in the small English town of Glastonbury where (sometimes controversial) discussions about the environment and society. One conference explored how we might become more 'collapse ready' in emotional, practical, and political ways. This 'deep adaptation' event was organised by local residents and included an afternoon panel with the Green Party Mayor of Glastonbury, Indra Donfrancesco, the co-founder of Extinction Rebellion, Gail Bradbrook, the host of Planet Critical, Rachel Donald, the host of All That We Are, Amisha Ghadiali, and author of 'Breaking Together', Professor Jem Bendell.

   

My feeling is that an important ingredient is missing. 

[K-Dog]

How can we make it real for them, real enough to feel fear, real enough to fear for themselves and their children, real enough to change themselves and to demand change from everyone else?

[TDoS]

How can we make it real for them, real enough to feel fear, real enough to fear for themselves and their children, real enough to change themselves and to demand change from everyone else?

Make what they believe crucial to their well being, and that of their children....scarce. That is why resource scarcity has always been such a go-to scenario for those looking for scary scenarios. Diseases have been popular, super-volcanoes are great for effect, hard for predictability , we all know how peak oil went 5 years ago now, climate change doesn't work as well, no pizzaz.

I'm betting that when one thing or another finally gets going, it'll be reflected more in social unrest than anything else. Not the penny ante stuff that folks are always trying to claim is the beginning of the end, but the real deal. We won't be sitting around in a comfortable abode lounging with clean water in a glass that came out of the faucet as we go hyperbolic on the internet over the equivalent of a pimple, we will be too busy trying to stay alive. When we have electricity we won't be using it for complain we can't go our favorite website, as opposed to looking for where authorities are attempting to distribute food or fuel supplies.

[Knarf]

Right now I think the thing that bugs the "haves" is the future of their money/security/home/ food ...etc. That scarcity is palatable in our societies. My hope and work is to emphasize the futility of hopium for a standard of living that is "advertised" to us all. That is the trick. Now, with AI we can create narratives of what the stupidity of chasing after the "American dream", actually gets you. Now where. The values in life have to change from the materialist/capital driven meme, to a cooperative winning meme.

[K-Dog]

Changes will be coming. 
Roger makes it clear state control of the economy WILL HAPPEN.

So, what kind would you like to have?

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Changes will be coming. 
Roger makes it clear state control of the economy WILL HAPPEN.

So, what kind would you like to have?

Not one controlled by democrats or republicans.

Not one controlled by Billionaires.

Not one controlled by politicians elected by a population that has shit for brains.

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[K-Dog]

Climate change and resource depletion cannot be directly blamed on capitalism, but capitalism creates an environment where exploitation is the norm.  An environment where collective concerns are ignored.

It is a fatal flaw.  Capitalism enabled the century of the self.  The century which may have set up conditions that result in human.

Jason W Moore sees unfavorable shifts in the climate as bad for ruling classes.  Their grip on the existing order is exaggerated and when unfavorable climatic conditions happen the ruling class can't adapt and provide what average people need.

This should give us pause to reject both the climate doomism and, I think the climate resignation, this sense of powerlessness in the present conjuncture.

But Diner readers know resource depletion means doomism can't be rejected as cavalierly as Jason would like to.

I had a sense of where the argument might go and I guessed correctly.  Critics will say the arguments Jason presents are circular.  I am not a critic.  I agree with Jason says mostly.  Capitalism puts money in charge and profit exploits.

The exploitation of labor power is the cash machine that destroys the environment.  Cheap labor is the resource that capitalism cannot live without.  Cheap labor is used to cheapen everything else.  As environmental conditions become unfavorable  getting things done becomes harder and profit suffers.  Capitalism fails.

Without a new frontier to exploit capitalism fails.  Profit must extract from a surplus.  The cancer will die, but it likely takes us with it.

[K-Dog]

A quote from the video.

You'll notice that congresspeople, they're not millionaires when they go in, but they're millionaires when they come out.

Money makes mo'money, with slaves to money stuffed at a bean feed while everyone else goes hungry.  Everyone brainwashed into thinking that this is the way it is, and this is the way it must stay.  The more pathetic philanthropists of the useless eater are bribed by a bag of groceries.

[K-Dog]

Everything literally crumbles back at the ranch, while billions of American tax dollars are spent supporting a genocidal war and an apartheid state.  Our country is run by criminals who slaughters people for profit.  Follow the money.  See who our politicians serve.  It's not you.

Hundreds of millions have seen our politicians serve their money since the Gaza crisis began.  All of them.  The truth can't be ignored.  It is as clear as the difference between night and day.

Carlos is a very smart guy.