Hang on tight.

An insiders perspective.

"The Fugitive" is still on the run, and based on this recounting, the "evidence" against the Person of Interest amounts to a lot of circumstantial nothing.  They don't have the weapon, they have a backpack which might be his, samples of DNA which might be his and photos from surveillance cameras which might be him.  They just as easily might not be the guy who pulled the trigger, just somebody dressed like him who arrived on a bus from Atlanta.  They do not have an eyewitness who could put him at the scene of the crime and the DNA evidence they say they have could be from anywhere.  Unless it was found on a bullet in The CEOs corpse or a shell casing found at the scene, the DNA doesn't tie him to the murder.  My bet is the DNA comes from the backpack they found.

While they apparently have good enough quality images of him without his face covered to identify him, they haven't actually got a name of a person who fits the description.  Utilizing facial recognition software, they could easily run pictures of everyone in the country with a drivers license to find a close match as a starter.  Obviously they don't have his DNA or his fingerprint from any prior run in with the law, or they would have a name that way.  So this person of interest whoever it is has a pretty clean criminal record.

While the article says the longer he evades capture the more likely he is to make a mistake and there is no way to evade capture given the huge resources being deployed to find him, the exact opposite is true.  The longer it goes, the more likely leads will go cold and the more difficult it becomes to put him at the scene of the crime.  This is true of all missing persons cases.  Capture rates drop off dramatically after the first 24 hours, are far worse than that after 72 hours and after a week they are teeny weeny.

How long will the NYPD and FBI keep hundreds of detectives actively working on this case before they drop it in the Cold Case file and just assign a team of maybe 5 agents to keep a full scale manhunt going?  A couple of months maybe?  If they haven't arrested somebody by New Years, the only way this guy will get caught is if he gets drunk and starts bragging about it on Social Media.

The thing is of course that the guy who did it probably would like to take credit for it, he would be instantly a famous folk hero.  Subconsciously he might do something that gives away who he is.  Or maybe he writes an anonymous Manifesto and mails it to the NYT and it ends up giving away his identity somehow.

Meanwhile however, at least so far the perp executed pretty close to a perfect crime without leaving much of an evidence trail.  Despite their claims of the inexorability of his eventual capture, it's not looking too good for the FBI Profilers and the NYPD CSI unit. lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-monday/index.html

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A good analysis, I agree.  Delay deny defend depose.

This combo, a dropped word and and added word suggests Bambi acted alone following a personal vendetta.  But they have him on camera using a phone and that could spill the beans.  The camera has a timestamp.  The possible calls will only be a few thousand.  Most records will be quickly eliminated.  Phones have serial numbers that identify and hidden features like computers have.  Bambi and company will have to know all about burner phones to evade detection.  I do not think I know enough to pull such a thing off.

Brian Thompson had been getting phone threats.  Forensic experts are going over phone records, and there is much we don't know.

If an anarchist group did it somebody may spill the beans.  Your analysis is solid, but there are many possibilities.

Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 09, 2024, 06:26 AMA good analysis, I agree.  Delay deny defend depose.

This combo, a dropped word and and added word suggests Bambi acted alone following a personal vendetta.  But they have him on camera using a phone and that could spill the beans.  The camera has a timestamp.  The possible calls will only be a few thousand.  Most records will be quickly eliminated.  Phones have serial numbers that identify and hidden features like computers have.  Bambi and company will have to know all about burner phones to evade detection.  I do not think I know enough to pull such a thing off.

Brian Thompson had been getting phone threats.  Forensic experts are going over phone records, and there is much we don't know.

If an anarchist group did it somebody may spill the beans.  Your analysis is solid, but there are many possibilities.

Given the fact that everything else was so well planned, I would be surprised if he didn't use a burner phone.  The fact that the person they have on video used a phone doesn't mean that person was the killer, even if they do track down the phone call.

If it was him on the phone, that does suggest that he was not working alone.  Who else wold you talk to on the phone during the commission of a crime except somebody else involved?  You're not gonna call somebody for a friendly chit chat.  Not ordering Pizza. lol.

If they do track down somebody and this is all they have as evidence when they go to trial, there's no way it gets a conviction.  Reasonable doubt is still a mile wide.  Whoever it is will also have to match this photo perfectly.  If he gains or loses weight and changes his hair color that can be hard to prove.

On the theory it was a conspiracy and one of the threats he received was followed though on, definitely the possibility exists someone will talk.  Again though in that situation it's still a long ways between them nabbing somebody and a conviction.  Whoever it is has had plenty of time to work up an alibi.  If he maintains his innocence and deny, deny, deny, what do they convict on?  No gun.  No witness.

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A suspect has been apprehended!

Luigi Mangione, 26.  Caught eating at McDonalds in Altoona, PA.

Can't wait to hear the evidence.

This report is dated Dec 4th, updated today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-brian-thompson-shooting.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQg5nh0onWhJFSGMfx5fCvveXElgEqDwgAKgcICjCO64oDMJavPA&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AVINqTzQB6Kbl4COY_jqHXKkntNePm4yvryKEh8HLllu-xgjePyf4VzMsfCDaRLr3Fk3_gtBmzWXFd06Y9xob1Ctrpghn_fXog%3D%3D&gaa_ts=6757657c&gaa_sig=Dnp9OyMdWrr2juEaAg1ZIGd7Jucg5X8eAu8hxgWSwxXBgD9CZCFHzk0BMt7F2JTN-1Anq-xDTZv2_PEkujoWWg%3D%3D

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Remember to take great care not to get caught doing the crime and then walk into a Mickey D's less than a week later with a manifesto and a gun that could have been dumped in a hundred rivers between then and now.

I already posted the end of Fahrenheit 451.

The fix is in.

He did not dump the I.D., the gun, or the mask.  Having the mask means nothing.  I sell the same kind at work.  I doubt the planted I.D. means much more.  Are we really supposed to believe this guy did not 'burn' the fake I.D. after he used it in the hostel.  Absolutely.  Hold your nose and swallow it.

Everything you or I would NOT do to avoid getting caught we are supposed to believe this guy did.

Leave Monopoly money in a backpack, but make sure you keep the murder weapon for six days after all the gangster movie made in the last fifty years taught every American with eyes and ears to get rid of a murder weapon if you kill someone. 

It does not add up.  Going underground in some way for a long time had to be part of the plan.  That does not include a visit to Mickey D's.

Several movies involve characters disposing of a gun or guns to avoid detection. Here are a few examples:

    "Double Indemnity" (1944)
    "The Departed"
    "No Country for Old Men" (2007)
    "L.A. Confidential" (1997)
    "Mystic River" (2003)

How this woman found out so much about Luigi in ONE hour defies belief.


Given that she was chomping at the bit to do this video, how she knows all about this guy is AMAZING.

12 Minutes long and produced and uploaded in an hour.  I wish I had that talent.

Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 09, 2024, 01:23 PMEverything you or I would NOT do to avoid getting caught we are supposed to believe this guy did.

Nobody could buy this story with a straight face.  However, I am not sure it's the Gestapo doing the set-up.  I think it may be the killer(s) and they are the ones that called the cops with the tip.

Why else would he be sitting in a Mickey Ds with the gun and the manifesto except that he was waiting for the cops?  He had to want to be arrested this way.

If what he was doing was trying to get publicity about malfeasance in the medical insurance biz, he succeeded in spades, and a trial is exactly what he wants.  It's his stage to talk about all of it.  He gets the Manifesto read into the record.  It's brilliant.

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I suggest an insanity defense.


Because this guy chose to rot in a cell, forgotten.  He thew the celebrity he had away.  The longer it was unsolved the more thought and talk was engendered.  Now all that happens is the boot comes down.

The Mickey D employee who turned him in.  I hope he comes down with a medical condition that is denied.  I hope he gets prescribed prescriptions meds that cost hundreds of dollars a pill in copays.  I hope all the plagues of Egypt inhabit his rectum.


Give the rat the national Dunning–Kruger award. 

There Manifesto should have just been posted online.  It could have been done here.


Supporters of Mangione have allegedly set up GoFundMe accounts to raise money for Mangione's legal fees, although the site has removed any such pages.

Reddit also appears to be tamping down on support for the alleged assassin. The site banned an r/LuigiMangione community hours after it was created — but not before the page racked up hundreds of subscribers.

Netizens meanwhile have attacked the tipster who phoned police as a "snitch" and a "rat" with some users publicly threatening the unnamed worker.

Boycott until the dude is fired.



The McDonalds where Mangione was arrested.

Rewards total at least 60K.  The rat won't be asking "Will you be using our APP" at Mickey D's for a while.


29 bucks an hour for a year

you can always say somebody would have done it why not me

and the worm ate the worm

Many description of Brian Thompson as a family man with two sons.

The commander at Auschwitz had him beat by two.  Rudolf Hoess was twice the family man Thompson was.



Taking care of your own does not mean you care for others.  That is a sad fact of life.

I don't think he has to worry about the cost of his legal defense, even if the crowd funding sites are taken down.  I'm sure lawyers are lined up around the block offering to defend him pro bono.  The book rights alone will be worth millions, and the publicity the lawyer gets for defending him is priceless.

Was it a mistake to let himself be caught after a week?  Maybe, but he probably didn't like living on the run, and as I said his objective was to expose the medical health insurance industry corruption, which he did successfully.

Far as a defense goes, it assumes he is found guilty, but that is far from a slam dunk unless he confesses.  If the ballistics match on the gun he's probably sunk, but he could claim it was planted and that the manifesto is a forgery.  All of which might in fact be true.  As long as he can establish reasonable doubt, a sympathetic jury might vote to acquit.  This isn't likely of course, but also if convicted, what does he get?  20 years of 3 hots and a cot is not the worst bargain for the fame and to martyr yourself on moral grounds.  I doubt he gets the chair, and he'll be considered a hero by the other prisoners.  I'm sure he'll be protected.

The trial meanwhile will be good distraction theater for a while, and might get some changes made in the way a few claims adjusters pay claims.  Maybe we'll even get a copy cat killer and Open Season will be declared on CEOs. 

Happy Hunting!

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I realized the same thing about the lawyers and since tuition at his high school was 40K a year finances are not a problem.  I'm finding out more before I type more, but I agree.

QuoteHe went to high school for 40K a year he then turned around and went to Penn and studied? What was it biomedical engineering? 

Which he then used his education to 3D print the gun that he supposedly used in the shooting, and now he is on a path of Vengeance as a social justice Warrior.  To bring power to people even though he is not of the same socioeconomic status as.  All wrapped up under a banner of unified class Consciousness that nobody else in this country has ever been able to achieve.

This motherfucker is Batman

* And he did it in Gotham City
   I wish Luigi had moved past utilitarianism.  That point of view has many flaws.

He has my education, Mrs. Dogs back surgery.   The Mickey D's employee has been identified as a "Boomer".

Luigi was caught with $8000 in US currency.  He also had $2000 in other currency.


The back surgery fucked him up and pushed him over the edge.


I could have done without the rant about the evil weed.






Propaganda of the deed could easily be generated by pain. 

Text of Unabomber Manifesto

INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE

DISRUPTION OF THE POWER PROCESS IN MODERN SOCIETY

RESTRICTION OF FREEDOM IS UNAVOIDABLE IN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY

STRATEGY