Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 11, 2025, 04:19 AMYeah, AI is amazing.

QuoteBoth sides of the climate debate share the belief that "we" have practically infinite reserves of fossil fuels and minerals.

Is a dead giveaway.  That is a total crock of shit.

Indeed.  Practically all discussion regarding resources since publication of the Limits to Growth study in the 1970s has focused on the fact you can't have infinite growth in a finite world.  Energy in particular has been examined in excruciating detail WRT the diminishing number of new discoveries and the decreasing EROEI of new discoveries.  The whole reason Fracking has become necessary is because conventional oil fields are mostly played out, or on their way.

Besides energy, resource constraints on everything from topsoil to sand for concrete have been subject for discussion, not to mention rare earth elements, phosphates for fertlizer and high quality coal for steel making.  The statement is so blatantly false and dropped on right at the beginning of the post I didn't bother reading the rest of it.

Far as the use of AI for generating arguments goes,  IMHO it diminishes the validity of the arguments and reflects lazy thinking on the part of the poster.  I'm not interested in having a debate with a machine, anymore than I enjoy playing chess against the computer.   It's too sterile and lacks humanity.

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My AI is bigger than his AI.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 11, 2025, 03:57 PMMy AI is bigger than his AI.

Yah.  It's the latest competition between Billionaires.   Instead of who has the biggest Super Yacht, it;s who has the biggest AI Data Center.





How many terawatts of power did you consume this year Mark?  How about you Elon?

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Quote from: jupiviv on Mar 12, 2025, 03:19 AMAll I got from that is you've invented a very interesting form ad hominem - ai-generated accusations of other people writing or talking like ai, and it's a follow up to the earlier, more affective troll accusation you made through that bot account. You have a problem with me bc you don't like what I'm saying yet can't articulate that beyond criticizing my use of terms you're unfamiliar with, which backfired. Stop being chickenshit and just blatantly say that and then we can start talking like humans.

That is a non-denial response.

Do you deny your post was AI generated?

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Quote from: jupiviv on Mar 12, 2025, 03:34 AM

Quote from: RE on Mar 11, 2025, 05:34 AMPractically all discussion regarding resources since publication of the Limits to Growth study in the 1970s has focused on the fact you can't have infinite growth in a finite world.

Practically all discussion about that study ranges from calling it alarmism to a kooky eugenics manifesto.

Visit the Post Carbon Institute for another opinion.

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Quote from: RE on Mar 12, 2025, 03:37 AM

Quote from: jupiviv on Mar 12, 2025, 03:19 AMAll I got from that is you've invented a very interesting form ad hominem - ai-generated accusations of other people writing or talking like ai, and it's a follow up to the earlier, more affective troll accusation you made through that bot account. You have a problem with me bc you don't like what I'm saying yet can't articulate that beyond criticizing my use of terms you're unfamiliar with, which backfired. Stop being chickenshit and just blatantly say that and then we can start talking like humans.

Do you deny your post was AI generated?

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You admit to being an idiot or you used AI.  Which is it?  You deny using AI, and take credit full credit for the ridiculous bullshit you put out then.  Fine, admit to being a shill then.

Your 1972 article was pure hack contrarian garbage.  There is nothing that can be disagreed with concerning the Limits to Growth study.  The Limits to Growth study is pure math.  System dynamics applied to real world data.  You can disagree with reality, and be an idiot, or not.  That is your choice.  But denying reality is not just another point of view.  That is only what children and men in black get paid to do.

Concerning LTG you do not get to disagree with the study in the Diner.  I have more respect for myself than to let you.  I put at least a hundred hours duplicating the computer program the LTG study used from the original MIT Dynamo manual, and here it is.  To  say I understand the LTG study is a gross understatement.  I can duplicate the fucking work.

https://chasingthesquirrel.com/dynamo.php

The actual manual can be seen under the book icon.

* My AI really is bigger than your AI.  Curtis Yarvin has nothing on me.  Far as that goes compared to me, the ignorant mofo is a wanna be.

Quote from: jupiviv on Mar 12, 2025, 10:43 AMThe ai generated accusation that I write like ai was genuinely funny but this is undisguised rancor. Come up with a better fallacy.

Saying it's a fallacy implies that you take credit for writing the post and did not use AI.  If that is the case, it's not funny, it's sad.  Besides the factual errors, stylistically it's a mess.  The AI Kdog used was better than your prose, both in style and in content.  Quite accurate in its critique.

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QuoteCome up with a better fallacy.........You don't get to mischaracterize me because I said something you dislike.

This is my space.  I can do what I want.  Your insults gets you a week in the cooler.


The Diner does not need trolls and thoughtstoppers.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 12, 2025, 11:28 AM

QuoteCome up with a better fallacy.........You don't get to mischaracterize me because I said something you dislike.

This is my space.  I can do what I want.  Your insults gets you a week in the cooler.

The Diner does not need trolls and thoughtstoppers.

Threats of exclusion are irrelevant to me because the need for online affirmation of the reality of collapse is obsolete. It is palpably unfolding as a fact of life and the only question is what novel forms of deranged twattery emerge from the cynically self-serving, partial acknowledgement thereof by the wealthiest 10-20% of humanity, and whether the workers and peasants can organize an international front against it using the conditions of collapse, war and chaos to their advantage as they did during the first half of the 20th century.

Anyway, I've made what peace I can with it and you two clearly haven't. Good luck. With all undue respect to your replication of LTG "K-Dog", Tom Murphy and Tim Morgan have been extrapolating that into the actually existing present for at least a decade now. Moreover, without the neurotic self-conceit. I don't need to be woken up by anyone, least of all you. Now I'm done.

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Quote from: RE on Mar 13, 2025, 11:08 AM

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I hope 'he' keeps his word and stays away. A total troll who used a variety of ip addresses.  Which means not much, except that is not what normal people do.  And while the others he mentions have done good math work, nobody but I have reverse engineered the Dynamo manual.  I looked hard for an implementaton before I started.  And that's too bad, it helps people understand what LTG is really all about, and what it is really all about is not the common perception.

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Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 16, 2025, 08:02 PM

Quote from: Fantasy Girl on Mar 10, 2025, 02:29 PMI think we have a new troll !

Reminiscent of one with only one V in their name.

By this logic, people are all atheist because they have dogs who don't believe in gods.

I thought he was saying how LTG is received, rather than his own opinion on it.

None of these new active topics are easy to find. I came across this by accident trying to revisit the last one I posted in, which I didn't find. Is it not possible to have the topics /threads listed in order of most recent activity?

Our database was broken, it is a long story.  Suffice it to say I am hard at work fixing the problems.

QuoteI thought he was saying how LTG is received, rather than his own opinion on it.

I do not fall for the claim that I am really not talking about what I am talking about as easy I use to.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 16, 2025, 08:02 PM

Quote from: Fantasy Girl on Mar 10, 2025, 02:29 PMI think we have a new troll !

Reminiscent of one with only one V in their name.

By this logic, people are all atheist because they have dogs who don't believe in gods.

I thought he was saying how LTG is received, rather than his own opinion on it.

None of these new active topics are easy to find. I came across this by accident trying to revisit the last one I posted in, which I didn't find. Is it not possible to have the topics /threads listed in order of most recent activity?

Oh my gawd, like, the source that was all, "how it was received," was totally, like, right-wing propaganda—literally the same kinda trash the tobacco companies used to, like, totally manipulate people. Ugh, so cringe!

K-Dog did good.  Right wing lying ass trolls can play somewhere else.

Oh, dude, seriously? Like, wine and hot tubs are just not my thing these days. I'm all in for the revolution. Meybee we put our heads together and come up with a plan that's gonna shake things up and make a real difference?  We can do this, I just know it.  You down?