Who are your target clients?  Who will you go to first and what is your sales pitch to them?

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Quote from: RE on May 21, 2025, 11:28 PMWho are your target clients?  Who will you go to first and what is your sales pitch to them?

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I'd rather work on this stuff for my own reasons.  Praise of money is all the American mind seems to think about.  We put all our vital juices into the quest for money, yet we call ourselves free.  Capitalism produces a tragically restricted understanding of reality.  The lens through which all is viewed in America is as distorted as a fun-house mirror.  AI only being the latest thing to distort.

The Nazis and Curtis Yarvins of the world would have a master race of nimrods running everything like a bizness.  Their hubris would have the blind leading the blind, marching ever onward in praise of technology.  Their false god. 

Technology, which happens to be ruining the world.  Their singular stupidity is doing us in.

As a stoic, I observe that AI is only as good as the control I have over it.  If I do not control it, then it is without value.

This will be interesting.  How could You possibly pay all the copyright fees accessed by a generative AI search?  It could be accessing 1000s (or more) of documents on any given topic to create a report or story.  Would merely including a bibliography be sufficient?  The authors of what was searched would want to be paid something.

Copyright is how Microsoft and Apple killed Napster and the software biz.  This could come round to bite them in the ass.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-napster-moment-1236232248/

AI's Napster Moment May Be Next

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Quote from: K-Dog on May 23, 2025, 02:11 PMI'd rather work on this stuff for my own reasons.  Praise of money is all the American mind seems to think about.  We put all our vital juices into the quest for money, yet we call ourselves free.

Define "free". I consider myself free. You seem to be. RE is in a jam for freedom but that is a physical thing.

"We" put all our vital juices into a quest for money? Out of us 3 geriatrics, I don't get the impression that applies to "we".

I just put vital juices into finding a means to not eat venison and be trapped in a social structure of the holler. That was freedom, the goal was never to become some money grubbing asshole....or worse yet one of those people who resent that others have more.

I resent the few who have too much while there are so many with not enough.

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Quote from: RE on May 31, 2025, 05:45 AMI resent the few who have too much while there are so many with not enough.

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resent:feel bitterness or indignation at (a circumstance, action, or person)

So is it bitterness, which implies it isn't fair that someone has more than you, or indignation that someone has managed, by hook or by crook or hard work, new ideas, exceptional intellect, to have gained/acquired or earned it?

Around here TPTB don't like the idea of someone like Elon starting with little, and working his way up the food chain. The very logical defense of how it happened is verboten and erased.

So how much can someone earn for themselves before they desire your ire?

QuoteSo how much can someone earn for themselves before they desire your ire?

Ten million seems a good number.  Provided they do not screw anybody over to get it, and Musk certainly did.  But since he has so much of the green stuff you claim not to care about very much, you give him a pass.  And I don't. 

I really do not give two fucks if you think I get bent out of shape if people have too much money or not.  That is your issue.  You confuse having a lot of money with being a good person, and while you point a finger at me, three point back at you.  You have far more of the green-eyed monster than I do to even bring it up.

In general people preventing the paradigm shift for selfish reasons because they are personally comfortable, and financially well off deserve my ire.  The amount of actual money they have has nothing to do with it.  It is about their attitude.  Steve Wozniak is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He can afford to be.  As far as Musk goes, he has done things that would put other people in prison.  So why is he not there.

And concerning Musk specifically, Musk is anti-progress.  Musk insisted that the electric car be a drop in replacement for a sports car, and nothing else.  Musk insists that rich white people make all the decisions.  And that has not worked out well.  Musk, having more money than brains, prevents the paradigm shift that could could have fucking saved civilization.

If you think just having money provokes my ire, you are a little man with childish thoughts.  It is 1000 times more complicated than that for me.  Having more money than brains is the problem.

Quote from: K-Dog on May 31, 2025, 12:41 PM

QuoteSo how much can someone earn for themselves before they desire your ire?

Ten million seems a good number.

Would you like to bet that this number is relative to the net worth/richness/whatever of the person handing out the number?

I'm sure there are McDonalds' workers who think my 7 figure net worth number for rich folk would make them thrilled. It is relative I'm betting.

Quote from: K-DogProvided they do not screw anybody over to get it, and Musk certainly did.

Well, you would need to be more clear on the Diner definition of "screw over" and what it consists of...besides him having come up with a good idea and managed to make it work.

Quote from: K-DogBut since he has so much of the green stuff you claim not to care about very much, you give him a pass.  And I don't. 

I don't care about the green stuff much. Once you get past having the basics for your family, much beyond that is showing off. And I DON'T give Elon a pass, the results he has generated IRL is just one criteria. Results aren't just about how big a pile of cash you have.

As far as no pass, of course I don't give him a pass. I don't like dopers by definition, it is a character thing, and Elon lacks it severely. Even without throwing in him being a philandering scumbag.

Money is never the measure of a man. That you would think that yourself to use as a slur against me is offensive.

Quote from: k-dogI really do not give two fucks if you think I get bent out of shape if people have too much money or not. 

Well that is good to hear, because we are well past needing to mention your near pathological revulsion for folks with money....the irony of which I have previously noted.

Quote from: k-dogIn general people preventing the paradigm shift for selfish reasons because they are personally comfortable, and financially well off deserve my ire.

So what might be the selfish reason? Not wanting to lose what they've got? You do seem a bit sensitive to that topic of being included with those in the personally comfortable column.

Quote from: K-DogThe amount of actual money they have has nothing to do with it.  It is about their attitude.  Steve Wozniak is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He can afford to be.  As far as Musk goes, he has done things that would put other people in prison.  So why is he not there.

I've done things that have put other people in prison. So what. Lacking a conviction you've got an opinion and nothing else. That and "innocent until proven guilty". You have a disagreement with the judicial system in this country, that is different than being peeved at rich folk.

Quote from: K-DogIf you think just having money provokes my ire, you are a little man with childish thoughts.  It is 1000 times more complicated than that for me.  Having more money than brains is the problem.

You judge quite often, and quickly it would appear. "A little man"...amusing...you don't know anything about me, other than I'm generally disagreeable and on some topics am beyond just professionally well informed in my area of expertise.

Quote from: TDoS on May 31, 2025, 02:04 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on May 31, 2025, 12:41 PM

QuoteSo how much can someone earn for themselves before they desire your ire?

Ten million seems a good number.

Would you like to bet that this number is relative to the net worth/richness/whatever of the person handing out the number?

I'll take the bet.  We established criteria for what constitutes "rich" in 2025 Amerika in this thread so that we would have an objective measure here on the Diner.  Upper Middle Class under this criteria should be plenty for anyone.

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Quote from: RE on May 31, 2025, 06:29 PM

Quote from: TDoS on May 31, 2025, 02:04 PMWould you like to bet that this number is relative to the net worth/richness/whatever of the person handing out the number?

I'll take the bet.  We established criteria for what constitutes "rich" in 2025 Amerika in this thread so that we would have an objective measure here on the Diner.

No...you erased my entire calculated number post in order to pretend it didn't exist, and then substituted your own. Your "we" was basically....you.

Quote from: REUpper Middle Class under this criteria should be plenty for anyone.
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According to you. I was quite happy that Mr and Mrs K-Dog could easily sell their house and continue to live with an excellent lifestyle for their 7 figure net worth, while you posited they would be homeless with so little available upon liquidating their real estate investment.

I did the math. It was just CFS.

Quote from: TDoS on May 31, 2025, 07:47 PMAccording to you.

No, according to Ivy Grace writing for Bezinga Financial Services.

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QuoteWould you like to bet that this number is relative to the net worth/richness/whatever of the person handing out the number?

Is a childish oversimplification.  The point is relative to:

Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen
There, I made it easy for you, you can just copy and paste it into Google.  In only two clicks you will know what it means.

Actually $5 million would meet reasonable individual needs.  Especially if health care was nationalized.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 01, 2025, 04:48 AM

QuoteWould you like to bet that this number is relative to the net worth/richness/whatever of the person handing out the number?

Is a childish oversimplification.

It is one of the most basic scientific precepts....define your terms explicitly. Agree on the metric itself, in this case relative versus nominal. This is not a childish simplication, it is a relative perspective between someone with your networth versus the average McDonalds employee. They can't afford a heat pump for their house, and you can do it to feel better about how eco-friendly you are. And owning luxury cars, because you've earned them...but then you help save the environment by not using them very much. An intersting argument in favor of virtue signaling, but it really only works if you have the bumper sticker. "Sure I have a couple of Benz....but I don't drive them much to help save the environment."

Quote from: K-DogThe point is relative to:

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Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

Thanks, I won the Bismark aware for excellence in German in high school. So Marx slogans that happily led to the real  life application by the likes of Stalin and Mao is the best you can come up with?

What's wrong with Arbeit macht frei? Good enough for the Nazi's, I bet it its right in with what Marx gave to Stalin, Mao and Kim II-Sung.

Quote from: k-DogThere, I made it easy for you, you can just copy and paste it into Google.  In only two clicks you will know what it means.

Actually $5 million would meet reasonable individual needs.  Especially if health care was nationalized.

$5 million is what someone sitting at the bottom of the 7 figure mark might think meets individual needs. Fine.  Seems reasonable to folks of our net worth.

And how much do you think that McDonalds worker thinks is enough? Because odds are it won't be $5M. They aren't factoring in nice matching luxury cars for them and their spouse I bet, or high value real estate, let alone their savings that some folks can happily invest at low rates because they feel that secure in their financial level. And can afford to be environmentally friendly with new tech for their home as well.

That McDonald's worker might be thrilled to just have a decent woodpile at the beginning of each winter. I know grandma did. Me, I was just happy we could put kerosene in the kerosene heater when we didn't have running water in the winter.

It is childish to confuse need and want.  An order of magnitude more than average keeps the wolf from the door and satisfies all needs.  If you think money is only for toys, and you do.  That is childish.

In capitalism wages are driven down to subsistence levels, enough for workers to survive and keep them working.  And perhaps just enough to keep them passive.  Capitalists compete by lowering wages.  Fair pay is not achievable under capitalism, and only under socialism can workers receive the full fruits of their labor.

Your claim is that this clear headed explanation results from my 'relative position' in life, and you spew childish right wing propaganda back at me in response.  To which I say, fuck you.

It isn't about the relative perception of wealth of a low paid member of the working class, it's about the power that comes from being so rich that you can buy control over the direction of society.  The expensive toys like private jets, super yachts, mansions and AI data centers and rocket ships are symbols of the power and tools to exert power.  So what a Mickey D's employee thinks is rich s irrelevant.  What is relevant is the point at which you have enough wealth to begin to move in the circles where you can begin to influence the decisions that affect the direction of society.  When you have enough money to buy a $1M ticket to a Crypto Dinner at the WH, you're well into in that class.  When you    can spring for a junket to Vegas for your local State Assemblyman you're at the low end of the class.

Bezinga Finacial Services is a wealth management company that caters to this class of people, so they do research to identify their potential clients.  The numbers Ivy Grace put up identify their target clients and let their readers  who are still just climbing the ladder know how much it takes to be more than just another well off person with a big house and new Mercedes.

It's not a hard and absolute number because there are intangibles involved besides money, like family connections, your profession and education and your notoriety or fame that are involved also.  It's definitely more than just $1M though and less than $100M.  Depending on intangibles, in most cases probably $5-10M gets you to the bottom of the ladder in 2025 Amerika.

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