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Global Birthrate Decline

Started by RE, Oct 18, 2023, 10:24 PM

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K-Dog

I am thinking of writing a short story where everyone in some future city has a robot significant other.  They look like real people but technically everyone is celibate and rubbing themselves with toys.  Your choices are male, female or nonbinary robot so you can choose a partner to simulate whatever mental illness you have.  If you need surgery to support a gender delusion, no problem.

The protagonists in the story can be two real people who hook up.  One of them pretends to be a robot.  To avoid trouble with the law it became necessary.

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Quote from: K-Dog on May 24, 2024, 08:35 PMI am thinking of writing a short story where everyone in some future city has a robot significant other.

Too late.  Already been done.


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K-Dog

Can you talk to a Cherry 2000 about doom without her eyes glazing over after you 'do the thing?'

RE

You'll need to buy the Furiosa Doom model.



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RE

There's a bit of Pushback ongoing WRT with the brouhaha over declining fertility rates and the Baby Shortage.  The "proto-Natalists" are being confronted by the climate and ecological collapse crowd over their push to "save humanity" by having babies.

This has divided down straight polarized Left vs Right ideology, with the Right Wing Christian Fundies being joined by the Elite Eugenics Atheist Scientist cohort in the propaganda war against the Greenie Eco-Climate anti-Poverty Socialist contingent.  Particularly loathsome are Malcolm and Simone Collins who are clearly unapologetic racists who along with Elon Musk wanna make sure rich well educated white people out-fuck poor black HS dropouts breeding new welfare recipients.  Instead of claiming God is on their side commanding they go forth & multiply like the Fundies, they look to Science & Math as their irrefutable logic for popping more mini-me meat packages out of the oven.  Of course, they cherry pick the evidence used to justify their cause, just as anyone with a political agenda does with science & scientists.  S & S are just Hired Guns who sell their brains to the highest bidder and make the data fit whatever conclusion it is they want to draw.  Scientists are worse than Cult leaders who quote from the Bible to justify themselves, you just don't get more corrupt.

Rich Proto-Natalists do have the advantage that they can actually AFFORD to have 7 kids, but the bigger disadvantage that there just aren't enough of them.  There are more of the Fundies though, who may eventually benefit from Proto-Natalist Cult Doomsteads funded by Billionaire Cult Leaders & Influencers like Elon Musk and open to White Trash women from Appalachia who agree to be pumped full of fertility drugs and inseminated by Silicon Valley Tech CEOs to populate the planet and buy Teslas.

Meet the Weirdos Making Pronatalism Look Like Racist Insanity

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/meet-the-weirdos-making-pronatalism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/31/pronatalists-are-conveniently-ignoring-earths-real-problems

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-truth-about-pronatalists-simone-and-malcolm-collins.html

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Exponential Population Growth is officially OVAH for the Industriaalized world.



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K-Dog

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Quote from: RE on Jun 21, 2024, 12:49 AMLot's of charts here from the OECD as the Illuminati sociologists fret over collapsing birthrates.  :-\  :-\

https://www.oecd.org/publication/society-at-a-glance/2024/

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/918d8db3-en/1/1/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/918d8db3-en&_csp_=61beec0ed49f645ee9b09417e102cf6f&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book

RE

Yeah. - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.  Simulate progress and world trade.

Grow baby grow.


Grow grow, fuck human and quality of life.  Fuck a civilization that could choose to last a million years.  A civilization that will only last fifty more is so much more...........profitable.

Perhaps a proper use or AI is to identify people who deny overpopulation and advocate for larger families. 
Identify them so they can be dealt with at an appropriate time.

Perhaps more seriously these deniers can be broken down by age sex, and such so we can see what demographic wants us dead.  Because that is what it amounts to.  I'll posit that nobody who wants more meat packages on the earth has ever seen moths around a streetlight so thick the light is dimmed.

Pushing for more babies is insidious.  An entire mindset goes along with that belief, and if the right class traitor takes this notion seriously there is no hope for them.  Hubris has ruined them, and they can't hang with logos.

Uncle Karl clearly explains that profit prevents workers from ever buying all the products they produce in capitalism.  For that reason markets must always expand. (or the system must change).  The math of capitalism is the root cause of Imperialism, which is rebranded as World Trade in our age.  Capitalism is an unstable system, but one which benefits a small class with power.  Falling FASTER than the birth would be the size of people who are unemployed.  Capitalism requires a pool of unemployed.  That too is built into its math of operation.

If humans were to cut numbers so that there were two billion people on the earth allowing for a perpetual civilization, 67 000,000,000,000 people would have lived in a million years.

K-Dog

#53

The precariat.  You are never too old to be one. 

What is the real reason for concern over national and birth decline concerns.  There is no one reason but a cluster of them.

I will be blunt.  Old people are the new 'N' word.  Old people won't get, can't get full time jobs.  And going part-time means your past is irrelevant.  Talent and education means you are toilet trained to get to work on time.  PHD or HS dropout, at 65 how much difference is there?  Can you say "will you be using our mobile app".  That is all that matters, because sucker you got no other options.  The old employee is the new slave.  The new cheap worker.

Employers want cheap workers who show up on time, have a good work ethic and vanish.  Emphasis of course on cheap.  Complaining about a birth rate decline suggests a 'worker crisis'.  Real or not.  Mix in some mumbo-jumbo about work being good for people and voila.  Grandpa should work till he drops.  Society needs him to do it.  And he's a nice guy.  He smiles and gets along.  He'll go fer it.

Any fix except change the stinkin system.  Reorganize thought once again to keep things the same.

Very good video.

RE

This shit is starting to get on my nerves.  The fucking politicians and capitalists  screaming at people to "HAVE BABIES!!! While there aren't even enough fucking houses a family could afford to live in.  Let's have Homeless Babies!   ::)   If it wasn't so tragically pathetic and stupid it would be laughable.

The one bright spot is that no matter how hard they scream,  J6P just says no to babies!  ;D  Child care alone is $1000/mo EZ.  Add in your food, med & dental, the bigger house you need, figure $3000/kid/mo.  When they start handing out $40K/yr to be a professional parent, they might get some takers.  Maybe.

https://www.vox.com/policy/363543/pronatalism-vance-birth-rates-population-decline-fertility

The movement desperately trying to get people to have more babies

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A relatively ridiculous projection obviously using the current birth, death and immigration rates as remaining constant for the rest of the century, which almost certainly is not the case.  At some point in that timeline there will be a global food shortage, and the poorest countries which are food importers will take the biggest hit.  So don't bet on Pakistan and Nigeria continuing a steady population increase.

The FSoA also depends on immigration to keep the population increasing.  However, the places the people immigrate from won't produce so many useless eaters, and immigration restrictions will likely continue to tighten.

At best, I'd say this chart can give you an estimate of global population for the next 10-20 years.  After that it's worthlesss.



https://www.visualcapitalist.com/peak-population-for-the-largest-countries-in-the-world/

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monsta666

The decline of the Chinese population is quite striking with the projection showing a 800-900m drop between its 2021 1.4b peak and the 2100 population. Just makes you wonder what the population drop will look like if you add the doom factor to this. Many advanced economies have a growing elderly population many of which are dependent on modern medicine to keep alive. You would think, if things go south they would die in mass. Many countries are already struggling to keep their medical services afloat today just think what the situation would be like in a poorer energy constrained world 50 years from now.

The thing I do wonder about is that many places obesity is the most common form of malnutrition. A reduction in food supply, even a fairly large one may not lead to a significant number of deaths through starvation in a lot of places. The obvious exceptions would be the countries that are already experiencing food insecurity so vulnerable areas such as the Indian sub-continent, the middle east and sub Sahara Africa will suffer a lack of affordable food to feeds its populace. Ironically most of those regions are marked in this graph as having the largest population increases. 

Other things to consider is how the birth rates will change in the future. There has been a strong correlation between women's education levels and the number of babies she has. As people become less educated it stands to reason women could have more babies. This would be further exacerbated if infant mortality increases and modern contraception becomes less prevalent. Also with the way the right are pushing for more traditional family structures women maybe reduced to following their historic roles i.e. becoming housewives and bearing children.

I think what is also something worth considering is which demographic, young or old, rich or poor, men or women will gain the most once the dust of doom settles. The closest comparison I can think of is the Black Death and in that scenario the normal peasant benefited with increased living standards as the elites had less labour they could exploit. Now I am not sure how women's rights will feature in all this but my feeling is there will be a regression to the historic norm. As for the oldies, there will simply be less of them in the new world so there will be a shift in power were the younger (relatively speaking) will be the ones taking on the roles of powers. My guess is heads of states will be people (men) around their 40s.

Granted everything in the last paragraph is highly speculative and I openly admit I could be dead wrong. But sometimes it is fun to stick the neck out in front of the guillotine. Worst that could happen is you are wrong and look like a plonker.

K-Dog

QuoteI know there's this notion that the third world people will "sadly" die off and "we" will wall ourselves off in our impenetrable climate fortress but uhhh nope.

Yes, privilege has spawned many an ugly delusion.  And thank you for the link.

K-Dog

#58
G.D.P rises and the declining rate of profit impovrishes at a proportional rate.  Those who benifit from current arrangements must stick it to the working class to maintain lifestyle.  At last profit begins to fall like middleclass wages have while profit rose.  People attatching identity to lifestyle is the root of much misery.  The leisure class will kill to maintain privlege, and their liesure begins to be threatened.

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#59
You have to also consider the cause of the famine.  A corn or soy bean blight would hit the FSoA harder, than a rice blight China and India.

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