Quote from: Knarf on Jun 24, 2024, 02:52 AMI tried to copy and paste it. It is too long.

Try hitting <ctrl-A> to highlight all the text, then <ctrl-c> to copy it.  Then go to Notepad and hi <ctrl-v> to paste it.  That should paste the whole article.

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Quote from: RE on Jun 24, 2024, 06:25 AM

Quote from: Knarf on Jun 24, 2024, 02:52 AMI tried to copy and paste it. It is too long.

Try hitting <ctrl-A> to highlight all the text, then <ctrl-c> to copy it.  Then go to Notepad and hi <ctrl-v> to paste it.  That should paste the whole article.

RE

The limit on the posting is 4000 characters. This article exceeds that. I copied and pasted it, and then got the error message that it exceeded the 4000 character limit. No biggie...just a pretty rational approach to total collapse.

I could change the limit, but I was able to get the author's name from the Medium page and he is on Linked-In.  I asked him to email me a copy.  Sort of.  I had to do this in 200 characters or less.  I used all 200.  We shall see what happens.

We are not mere spectators here.  We have mojo.

If I like it I'll post it on the main page.  I have not put anything up there since I began the Limits to Growth software project.  Or planned on anything since 'the project' has taken on a life of its own as I knew it would.  Success is slower but steady now.  At more than 2000 lines of tight JavaScript code I have has complexity beyond that which would be needed to simply 'hardwire' the model equations as others have done.  Software to only implement the specific model equations of the World III model would be easier, but I don't have the card deck yet.  I do have the info to build it if I have to.

I hope to post something soon.

Then we can write the World IV model.  Which with nothing to run it on, would never otherwise be done.

********************************  Four waves of collapse.  Not necessarily.  The first wave may do you in and then that is all for you.  And it was it three storm centers that collided to make the storm in the 'Perfect Storm' movie.  A Seneca cliff of trouble.  When interconnections between parts produce cascade failure.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 24, 2024, 08:44 AMWe are not mere spectators here.  We have mojo.

Agreed!

I have been reading a little bit more of that authors writing. It is fairly consistent now with the idea that collapse is inevitable and it is happening now, and will continue to collapse in the next couple decades. He is a capitalist economist, so reaching this prognostication is taking some risks in being a Debbie downer. I wonder what you all think about his approach. You mentioned the 4 waves of collapse he sees happening, and I don't think it will be THAT predictable. The chaos will be a big factor in our inability to stop the collapse. Those waves are not so distinct that we could possibly prepare for them. The 1.Enviromental 2. Economic 3. Political 4. Population collapse will happen simultaneously with one effecting the others along the way.

Unfortunately that leaves us meat packages little choice in being prepared for the end of this civilization. It looks like Trumpism could take over for the next 4 years, so who the hell knows what will happen. The middle east and global south are moving to incorporate away from the petrol-dollar, which will only complicate the mess. I am not great at predicting so many variables flying around and changing so rapidly. I do think the American consumer is waking up a bit to the environmental trouble we are facing, but it doesn't look like that is what is motivating their vote. It is the economy. That is what the spin doctors of buy more propaganda are experts at. SPEND MORE! It will all work itself out. That shit will probably win this election. We are toast. "I see dead people."