I have had good and bad experiences.  For the most part I agree with you.  The wrong people often have the job.


If you or I had been offed the case would already be closed pending new info.  Yet in New York many cops are getting overtime.  Not the average ones, suit wearing detectives.  The budget is thrown away and no expense will be spared.  Failure to do so will show the average person how much power they COULD have.  That will not be allowed.

In the meantime:


Run away, run away from the pain, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
Run away, run away from the pain, yeah yeah
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away, run away, run, run away

In a book ending a protagonist may escape.

QuoteOn the screen, a man turned a corner. The Mechanical Hound rushed
forward into the viewer, suddenly. The helicopter light shot down a dozen
brilliant pillars that built a cage all about the man.
A voice cried, "There's Montag ! The search is done!"
The innocent man stood bewildered, a cigarette burning in his hand. He
stared at the Hound, not knowing what it was. He probably never knew. He
glanced up at the sky and the wailing sirens. The cameras rushed down. The
Hound leapt up into the air with a rhythm and a sense of timing that was
incredibly beautiful. Its needle shot out.
It was suspended for a moment in their gaze, as if to give the vast audience
time to appreciate everything, the raw look of the victim's face, the empty
street, the steel animal a bullet nosing the target.
"Montag, don't move!" said a voice from the sky.
The camera fell upon the victim, even as did the Hound. Both reached him
simultaneously. The victim was seized by Hound and camera in a great
spidering, clenching grip. He screamed. He screamed. He screamed!

"The search is over, Montag is dead; a crime against society has been avenged."

Quote"They didn't show the man's face in focus. Did you notice?
Even your best friends couldn't tell if it was you. They scrambled it just
enough to let the imagination take over. Hell," he whispered. "Hell."
Montag said nothing but now, looking back, sat with his eyes fixed to the
blank screen, trembling.
Granger touched Montag's arm. "Welcome back from the dead." Montag
nodded.

If you resemble the dude in any way,  Feeling nervous is appropriate.  Leave the grey jacket with the hood in the closet.

.......

Every motherfucker who is screaming about the glee people are taking over 'the murder' will feel intense glee themselves when the perp is caught.  Four fingers point back at them. They pearl clutch now, but later they will take sadistic pleasure.  Don't be fooled.  Such people just don't want murder happening to them.  Who does?  But most people are quite safe.  Most people are not out to fuck other people over like Brian Thompson was.

Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 06, 2024, 05:16 PMIf you or I had been offed the case would already be closed pending new info.  Yet in New York many cops are getting overtime.  Not the average ones, suit wearing detectives.  The budget is thrown away and no expense will be spared.  Failure to do so will show the average person how much power they COULD have.  That will not be allowed.

Of course.  And if they can't nail down the guy who really did it, they'll round up all the usual suspects and gin up a case planting evidence and lock up somebody to demonstrate to anyone thinking of copying as a Vigilante Executioner they always get their man.

Who are the usual suspects in this case?  They'll drill down databases for everyone with a policy against all the denied claims and policyholders who died who had relatives who own guns who have criminal records and eventually they'll locate somebody who fits the right profile without an alibi they can make a case against.  Doesn't matter if he actually did it, he was probably guilty of something, right?

This is of course a very difficult case to really solve unless the VE made a major mistake or brags to somebody when he's drunk and celebrating.  There's no money trail to follow, the motive is just straight vengeance.  If there were no witnesses and he disposes of the weapon any evidence will be circumstantial.

The Insurers are killing people every day by denying claims and withholding care for people who can't pay the exorbitant cost of medical care.   Even on the rare occasions they get caught at it as happened fictionally in The Rainmaker, the company declares bankruptcy and the worst thing that ever happens is some mid level executive fall guy gets a couple of years in a federal penitentiary resort for white collar criminals playing tennis and shuffleboard.  None of it makes the newz cycle.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to pin this on somebody.  Meanwhile, it will also be interesting to see if this motivates any copycats.  If it got truly DANGEROUS to fuck people over by denying their insurance claims, maybe a few claims adjusters will think twice before they deny a claim.

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Quote from: RE on Dec 06, 2024, 07:59 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 06, 2024, 05:16 PMIf you or I had been offed the case would already be closed pending new info.  Yet in New York many cops are getting overtime.  Not the average ones, suit wearing detectives.  The budget is thrown away and no expense will be spared.  Failure to do so will show the average person how much power they COULD have.  That will not be allowed.

Of course.  And if they can't nail down the guy who really did it, they'll round up all the usual suspects and gin up a case planting evidence and lock up somebody to demonstrate to anyone thinking of copying as a Vigilante Executioner they always get their man.

Who are the usual suspects in this case?  They'll drill down databases for everyone with a policy against all the denied claims and policyholders who died who had relatives who own guns who have criminal records and eventually they'll locate somebody who fits the right profile without an alibi they can make a case against.  Doesn't matter if he actually did it, he was probably guilty of something, right?

Like the ending from Fahrenheit 451 I posted.

To do the frame will take a while, though we both might be surprised how fast they do it.  Eventually they will find the real guy when they match DNA, but that requires a lead to a suspect to match, and the time for that can't be determined.  If they find him after the fix is in he vanishes without a trace.

In the meantime as long as our BAMBI is on the run health care is in the news so:

run

My original knee-jerk reaction was that Bambi be caught quick so as to not give Trump more license to fuckery than he already has.

I totally changed my mind.

The plot thickens.

President-elect Donald Trump met with the chief executives of U.S. drugmakers Pfizer and Eli Lilly as well as industry lobbying group PhRMA on Wednesday night.  Anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Trump's pick to lead the United States' top health agency, was also present at the meeting.  A PhRMA spokesperson confirmed that its president and CEO, Stephen Ubl, was present at the dinner, but declined to share any other details. 

In a just society such a meeting would be public (transcribed).  National Security is not threatened if these bozos were talking about retired people getting affordable meds, and why would the American people not have a right to know.  Health care is not private property?

There should be nothing to hide.  Nothing private about what the health care bureaucracy does at all.

Run Bambi run.

Cops all over the place and damn, nobody could find the backpack before the cops. "If I had only been here five minutes earlier".

The New Yorker reporter is just appalled at how our society has decayed to the point that the execution of a "hard working family man" has been mostly applauded in social media commentary.  I am appalled that he is appalled.  This guy really thinks scumbags like Brian Adams are hard working?

Meanwhile, Reuters reports they have a suspect and the "net is closing in" around him.  They supposedly have recovered a backpack resembling the one the shooter had and they're searching for the weapon in a pond in Central Park.

So it looks like we'll get a trial, and whoever this guy is, he's gonna be an instant Folk Hero.  Then the reporter from the New Yorker will be further appalled when Grouupies throw themselves at him and apply for conjugal visits at Rikers Island.



Is it the real killer or are they framing somebody?  If they do have the right guy, will he confess or maintain his innocence?

More Distraction Theater to occupy the newz cycle along with Tranny dress codes and school lunches laced with puberty blocking hormones.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/nyc-mayor-says-suspect-identified-unitedhealth-executives-murder-ny-post-reports-2024-12-07/

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/what-the-murder-of-the-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-means-to-america

RE

This is not distraction theater, this is the intermission.  I'll explain.

There has always been confusion in America about what 'class' college educated professionals and wannabe lookalikes belong to.  The INCORRECT and COMMMON view is they belong to a middle class which exists somewhere between rich and poor. 

Mass media talking heads on screens are such college educated professionals and wannabe lookalikes.  They are members of a 'middle class' which in fact consists of proletarian class traitors that are paid and treated sufficiently differently from bottom tier proletarians that their narcissistic asses imagine themselves in another class next to the rich.  All because they are paid better than average and wear better threads.  But being paid a bit more is the only difference.  They are still paid for their labor, but with Judas gold.  Gold that makes them betray their class.

They express the moral outrage of the rich.  They identify with the rich.  And they are all about Bambi getting caught.  Lifestyles of exploitation are threatened, Bambi must be caught. But scream as a talking head does, MEDICARE FOR ALL is also talked about.  Health care talk is not suppressed and ignored as the duopoly has done to it since they screwed over Bernie.

If a mainstream talking head were to start talking about the politics of all this they would be fired before their rant finished.  But people use other sources, independent sources who are more attached to reality than the propaganda machine.  Enough people are following independent sources to threaten the hegemonic narrative.

Talking heads express upper class neo-liberal capitalist hate over the health care bean feed being threatened.  There is no empathy among them.  They have only crocodile tears.

If I go to the grocery store how many baby killing vets are in the store with me?  Sent to kill sand niggers for the state, (otherwise known as people with families), our trigger pullers are now solid citizens.  All is good.  Parking places are reserved for our baby-killers.  We thank them for their service.

That being the case, what is wrong with thanking Bambi for his service?  What is the difference?




You can get this at Walmart.







It is an intermission because mass media has no idea how much they are quietly pissing people off with their moral outrage, ignorance, and lack of empathy.

People are homeless and we have two proxy wars with a new one kicking off.  Thousands are dying and we should give two fucks about Brian Thompson why?

why?
why?
why?


UnitedHealth Group CEO, Andrew Witty, decided now is a good time to scold Americans on healthcare, and talk about just how much good UnitedHealthcare has done for healthcare and their customers.

run

Hang on tight.

An insiders perspective.

"The Fugitive" is still on the run, and based on this recounting, the "evidence" against the Person of Interest amounts to a lot of circumstantial nothing.  They don't have the weapon, they have a backpack which might be his, samples of DNA which might be his and photos from surveillance cameras which might be him.  They just as easily might not be the guy who pulled the trigger, just somebody dressed like him who arrived on a bus from Atlanta.  They do not have an eyewitness who could put him at the scene of the crime and the DNA evidence they say they have could be from anywhere.  Unless it was found on a bullet in The CEOs corpse or a shell casing found at the scene, the DNA doesn't tie him to the murder.  My bet is the DNA comes from the backpack they found.

While they apparently have good enough quality images of him without his face covered to identify him, they haven't actually got a name of a person who fits the description.  Utilizing facial recognition software, they could easily run pictures of everyone in the country with a drivers license to find a close match as a starter.  Obviously they don't have his DNA or his fingerprint from any prior run in with the law, or they would have a name that way.  So this person of interest whoever it is has a pretty clean criminal record.

While the article says the longer he evades capture the more likely he is to make a mistake and there is no way to evade capture given the huge resources being deployed to find him, the exact opposite is true.  The longer it goes, the more likely leads will go cold and the more difficult it becomes to put him at the scene of the crime.  This is true of all missing persons cases.  Capture rates drop off dramatically after the first 24 hours, are far worse than that after 72 hours and after a week they are teeny weeny.

How long will the NYPD and FBI keep hundreds of detectives actively working on this case before they drop it in the Cold Case file and just assign a team of maybe 5 agents to keep a full scale manhunt going?  A couple of months maybe?  If they haven't arrested somebody by New Years, the only way this guy will get caught is if he gets drunk and starts bragging about it on Social Media.

The thing is of course that the guy who did it probably would like to take credit for it, he would be instantly a famous folk hero.  Subconsciously he might do something that gives away who he is.  Or maybe he writes an anonymous Manifesto and mails it to the NYT and it ends up giving away his identity somehow.

Meanwhile however, at least so far the perp executed pretty close to a perfect crime without leaving much of an evidence trail.  Despite their claims of the inexorability of his eventual capture, it's not looking too good for the FBI Profilers and the NYPD CSI unit. lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-monday/index.html

RE

A good analysis, I agree.  Delay deny defend depose.

This combo, a dropped word and and added word suggests Bambi acted alone following a personal vendetta.  But they have him on camera using a phone and that could spill the beans.  The camera has a timestamp.  The possible calls will only be a few thousand.  Most records will be quickly eliminated.  Phones have serial numbers that identify and hidden features like computers have.  Bambi and company will have to know all about burner phones to evade detection.  I do not think I know enough to pull such a thing off.

Brian Thompson had been getting phone threats.  Forensic experts are going over phone records, and there is much we don't know.

If an anarchist group did it somebody may spill the beans.  Your analysis is solid, but there are many possibilities.

Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 09, 2024, 06:26 AMA good analysis, I agree.  Delay deny defend depose.

This combo, a dropped word and and added word suggests Bambi acted alone following a personal vendetta.  But they have him on camera using a phone and that could spill the beans.  The camera has a timestamp.  The possible calls will only be a few thousand.  Most records will be quickly eliminated.  Phones have serial numbers that identify and hidden features like computers have.  Bambi and company will have to know all about burner phones to evade detection.  I do not think I know enough to pull such a thing off.

Brian Thompson had been getting phone threats.  Forensic experts are going over phone records, and there is much we don't know.

If an anarchist group did it somebody may spill the beans.  Your analysis is solid, but there are many possibilities.

Given the fact that everything else was so well planned, I would be surprised if he didn't use a burner phone.  The fact that the person they have on video used a phone doesn't mean that person was the killer, even if they do track down the phone call.

If it was him on the phone, that does suggest that he was not working alone.  Who else wold you talk to on the phone during the commission of a crime except somebody else involved?  You're not gonna call somebody for a friendly chit chat.  Not ordering Pizza. lol.

If they do track down somebody and this is all they have as evidence when they go to trial, there's no way it gets a conviction.  Reasonable doubt is still a mile wide.  Whoever it is will also have to match this photo perfectly.  If he gains or loses weight and changes his hair color that can be hard to prove.

On the theory it was a conspiracy and one of the threats he received was followed though on, definitely the possibility exists someone will talk.  Again though in that situation it's still a long ways between them nabbing somebody and a conviction.  Whoever it is has had plenty of time to work up an alibi.  If he maintains his innocence and deny, deny, deny, what do they convict on?  No gun.  No witness.

RE

A suspect has been apprehended!

Luigi Mangione, 26.  Caught eating at McDonalds in Altoona, PA.

Can't wait to hear the evidence.

This report is dated Dec 4th, updated today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-brian-thompson-shooting.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQg5nh0onWhJFSGMfx5fCvveXElgEqDwgAKgcICjCO64oDMJavPA&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AVINqTzQB6Kbl4COY_jqHXKkntNePm4yvryKEh8HLllu-xgjePyf4VzMsfCDaRLr3Fk3_gtBmzWXFd06Y9xob1Ctrpghn_fXog%3D%3D&gaa_ts=6757657c&gaa_sig=Dnp9OyMdWrr2juEaAg1ZIGd7Jucg5X8eAu8hxgWSwxXBgD9CZCFHzk0BMt7F2JTN-1Anq-xDTZv2_PEkujoWWg%3D%3D

RE

Remember to take great care not to get caught doing the crime and then walk into a Mickey D's less than a week later with a manifesto and a gun that could have been dumped in a hundred rivers between then and now.

I already posted the end of Fahrenheit 451.

The fix is in.

He did not dump the I.D., the gun, or the mask.  Having the mask means nothing.  I sell the same kind at work.  I doubt the planted I.D. means much more.  Are we really supposed to believe this guy did not 'burn' the fake I.D. after he used it in the hostel.  Absolutely.  Hold your nose and swallow it.

Everything you or I would NOT do to avoid getting caught we are supposed to believe this guy did.

Leave Monopoly money in a backpack, but make sure you keep the murder weapon for six days after all the gangster movie made in the last fifty years taught every American with eyes and ears to get rid of a murder weapon if you kill someone. 

It does not add up.  Going underground in some way for a long time had to be part of the plan.  That does not include a visit to Mickey D's.

Several movies involve characters disposing of a gun or guns to avoid detection. Here are a few examples:

    "Double Indemnity" (1944)
    "The Departed"
    "No Country for Old Men" (2007)
    "L.A. Confidential" (1997)
    "Mystic River" (2003)

How this woman found out so much about Luigi in ONE hour defies belief.


Given that she was chomping at the bit to do this video, how she knows all about this guy is AMAZING.

12 Minutes long and produced and uploaded in an hour.  I wish I had that talent.