Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 15, 2025, 04:09 PMOpen defiance of the law of the land.  And everyone is too pussy to stop it.  You would think out of 350 million people there would be enough who would rise up and stop the madness.

It is truly remarkable how one law after the next is openly disobeyed and the constitution ignored and nobody in Goobernmint is doing a damn thing to stop it.  I remember how people used to wonder how the Germans followed Hitler when he was clearly insane from the beginning.  Now we know.  When you have a political system with hierarchical control, people all the way down the chain just follow orders that come down from above them.  All it takes is for the person at the top of the pyramid to be a madman and the whole system goes nuts.

The other problem is that even those who want to get him out are afraid of what all the idiots who voted for him will do if he was thrown out.  Total anarchy.

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Quote from: RE on Apr 15, 2025, 01:01 AMIt's official, Harvard has more backbone than Columbia.
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Of course. Never met a single Harvard grad that wasn't top notch, particularly the lawyers. Economic geologists who run oil companies either.

Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 15, 2025, 05:46 AMImpeach the motherfucker.

Been there. Done that. Twice.

Quote from: K-DogOr suffer revolt. 

The pussyfication of America precludes this solution. Those of us here are part ofthe geriatric league now, we don't revolt. At least not with our morning danish and coffee in hand, and after our visit to the doctor to get our meds, and NOTHING is going to interfere with afternoon soap operas and whatnot!

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 15, 2025, 09:00 PMWhat you would encounter in Nigeria, Indonesia or Bangladesh is by far the more honest way.

Despite the fact that the sort of corruption you find in the places you mention is more straightforward, I wouldn't like living in any of those countries anymore than I like living in Trumpolini's Amerika.  Particularly in my situation given their social services for the disabled are politely described as substandard. lol.

In today's world, I would rank countries like Finland and Denmark as having the most equitable and least corrupt goobermint systems among developed countries if I were able to freely move countries and be accepted as a citizen.  Alternatively, living on some small non-touristy island in the Society Islands chain in a grass hut would be OK if I get my pension money and the dollar still works.  I'm sure I could pay a couple of native girls enough to give me sponge baths and clean the shack and satellite internet is available.  Anarchy with a capital A only works in very small homogenous societies, IMHO.

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Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 15, 2025, 09:00 PMIf there is one thing I'm certain of, Milgram's experiment  on obedience explains the already corrupt system of governance in place. In poor countries, bribes are paid directly  to get anything done, wheras our system has the bribery is in the salary.

This confused me. I am paid a salary. What part of my salary has to do with bribery?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenPolice, regulatory bodies, tribunals and  appeals, as well as the Courts are corrupt.

After a recent exercise as a juror on a murder trial for a week, and having seen nothing that looked anything like corruption, if it is everywhere, how did I miss it? Witnesses testified, judges read some pretty expected rules, 12 common folk sat down at a table and said "SHIT!! did that guy kill that dude or what!" and that was about it.

Quote from: author=Goldernen Oxernen[/quoteServile sycophant statists remain gormlessly oblivious.....

Okay, now who are you referring to? Doomers, public servants, researchers, I mean this category looks like it might include just about everyone using money, and thereby a part of the current system.

As far as oblivious...sometimes it is a good thing. Can you imagine the millions of manhours wasted worrying about peak oil circa 2005 or so? Two decades of people stocking up on toilet paper and guns, buying a hunting cabin, wanting to go "back to the land" and missing 2 decades of economic expansion in the US...the oblivous got that one right. So did those oblivious to the Mayan Calendar stunt. Or Yellowstone exploding...PLANET X!!

Perhaps oblivious to certain concepts is an advantage? Although being educated also working in dodging all that nonsense as well.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 02:55 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 10:07 AMThis confused me. I am paid a salary. What part of my salary has to do with bribery?

Being paid to post and mislead re peak oil.  You described it as a side gig, easy extra income rather than full time though. If you get paid full salary, 8 hr  for an hour or so activity, it's paid for by balooning national debt. That shows why minimal govt I advocate is necessary. 

You are mistaken. I've never been paid to mislead anyone about anything, such is not the point of the world of science I am familiar with. And since when was telling people that peak oil occurred 7 years ago now misleading?

Do you suggest that the data proving this is MY fault somehow? Or do you object to the use of data to know this as a current irrefutable fact? Data is data...I recommend the EIA International Data Statistics, Crude Oil and Lease Conddensate...stay away from "other liquids" BS.

Quote from: TDoSAfter a recent exercise as a juror on a murder trial for a week, and having seen nothing that looked anything like corruption, if it is everywhere, how did I miss it? Witnesses testified, judges read some pretty expected rules, 12 common folk sat down at a table and said "SHIT!! did that guy kill that dude or what!" and that was about it.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenIf the sherriff and/or deputy or county official you brandished a rifle at had decided to say you opened fired at him or them, that would be open shut, credible witness/es to likely change the course of your life. Lucky for you the police, prosecution and court were not under pressure to increase the quota of arrests and convictions for not allowing access meter readers or similar.

I don't recall ever brandishing a weapon at a deputy or county official in my life, did you actually DO this and suffer the consequences of it? Or was this just a hypothetical?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenI never said every case is a sham trial and travesty. Where there is no interest in perverting the course of justice, it is frequently allowed.

Put another way, there may be so few favors and influence peddling that it certainly isn't endemic at all?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenIts amusing how many people now believe there are flat earthers and thats a phenomena that developed in the past decade. I see it often. You never ever see anyone claiming the earth is flat, but will see people referring to flat earthers and not just likening them to flat earthers, but believe that unspecified people do believe the earth is flat. That follows on from a valid but differing opinion to their own. Insisting there are only two genders is pre Copernicus in the 21st Century. The insistence oil is essentially infinite is the belief that could be considered flat earther to me. The mayan calendar having the world end on a year I forget and planet Nibiru were just open questions nobody could do anything about anyway. I don't recall seismic activity ever reported for a Yellowstone evacuation or risk. Did anyone you know of leave the US for fear of it? Probably not, but don't let that stop lumping anyone attributing the cost of living crisis to limits to growth with paranoidelusion.

Boy did YOU miss all the really COOL doomer stuff of the early 21st century. Where were you, this stuff was everywhere, the Diner had some of those folks who just LOVED Planet X and some of the more entertaining ones. Can you imagine, back then China going down the tubes was considered a near given, as opposed to battling the US for global economic dominance. It was all over the Diner, did you miss it? Were you locked up somewhere or didn't have internet available?

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 05:12 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 03:50 PMYou are mistaken. I've never been paid to mislead anyone about anything, such is not the point of the world of science I am familiar with. And since when was telling people that peak oil occurred 7 years ago now misleading?

And that would be a reason for keeping the academic and alphabet agency work as one hand not knowing what the other is doing and regularly deleting posts . 1890 is more than 7 years ago.

You seem to be wandering farther afield than I can follow. What is an alphabet soup agency, are you referring to the USGS and Hubbert's work for them? Deleting posts certainly has nothing to do with being misleading....it is more like  retrieving the pearls after they've been dropped and no one seems capable of undestanding that they are indeed pearls.

What does 1890 have to do with anything? The first credible "end of oil" was claimed in 1886, so if that claim by JP Lesley is what you're referring to, you are off by a few years.

Quote from: TDoSI don't recall ever brandishing a weapon at a deputy or county official in my life, did you actually DO this and suffer the consequences of it? Or was this just a hypothetical?

I did say also "meter reader or similar". You recounted running someone off the property
with a firearm and landing in legal trouble for it. My point is at that time it didn't come under an agenda category of crime to make it fit, make it stick, or you would unlikely have gone free.

Oh my goodness yes, I certainly ran someone not off my property, but out of the very trailer we lived in! At like 2AM after they broke in. Where you live, is it illegal to defend ones home from folks breaking in? The legal trouble wasn't mine in that case but theirs. And there was nothing to "go free" from. I wasn't arrested or even hassled by the police, I did have to testify in court though. 

If by "legal trouble" you are referring to another incident involving perfectly reasonable defense of ones person using a firearm, again, is self defense not permitted where you live? Because here in America, it is perfectly legal.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenImagine stating during questioning that a 5 year old would need to be severely retarded to not know they would be hurt if they fell 4-5 ft onto a tiled floor. A tribunal panel of legal experts and a PhD psychologist then state you called someone "a retard" as one of many false misquotations in their reasons against your evidence. Mental Retardation being a clinical term the psychologist on the panel and signing off must be familiar with.  All mammals having an innate fear of falling, clearly saying "severe mental retardation refers to profound developmental delay. And so on up in the 🦘 kangaroo court system.

imagine if we all made up scenarios and pretended that the exception was the rule. Good thing exceptions are exceptions, and not the rule.

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Quote from: TDoSBoy did YOU miss all the really COOL doomer stuff of the early 21st century. Where were you, this stuff was everywhere, the Diner had some of those folks who just LOVED Planet X and some of the more entertaining ones. Can you imagine, back then China going down the tubes was considered a near given, as opposed to battling the US for global economic dominance. It was all over the Diner, did you miss it? Were you locked up somewhere or didn't have internet available?

RE insisted China is toast, counter to my own opinion they were and are thriving. Even here, what happened to Evergreen collapse?

I don't know what an evergreen collapse is. Did a pine tree fall on your house?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenGiven that most people were not deleting all their posts on the diner, do a search of the old archives and show anyone saying Planet X was going to knock 🌎 Earth out of orbit.

Given that the Diner no longer exists and therefore there ARE NO POSTS AT ALL, I'm not sure what you're getting at? i simply evacuated the burning building early.

Someone sure did like Planet X and Nirubu big time back in the day! You seriously don't think the Diner was the only place attracting folks who vanished into the ether when it turned out that peak oil came and went, Mayan calendar day came and went, and the world just...kept...spinning...do you?

If you remember the Diner, you remember the level of activity through time. It got big when folks could be talked into the world ending, and when it didn't, wasn't getting bigger. It wasn't because the place was burning down, but because the world burning down turned into economic boom times after the 2005 peak oil, and the 2006 one, and the 2008 one, and so on and so forth. It was boredom. Doom never came. If you compare that, to the modern version, even the big and well known ones like peakoil.com, and TOD, the enthusiasm seems to have vanished into Qanon and other interesting topics rather than the REAL problems the planet has.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenI also recall soneones expressed dislike for the farm life.

Damn straight. You want it, you keepit. I didn't even know how bad it was until I went to college. You want to scratch your life out of the dirt in the holler, have at it and enjoy. But don't expect all of us who lived that life to join you once we've escaped. Selling poverty is harder than selling peak oil consequences nowadays, 7 years after it finally happened.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 05:12 PMRE insisted China is toast, counter to my own opinion they were and are thriving. Even here, what happened to Evergreen collapse?

Thriving?  Tell that to the graduates looking for jobs.



Not doing too well making new Chinese either.



Speaking of Evergrande...



The only thing keeping China's property market from imploding is state intervention on a massive scale.  For somebody who doesn't like big goobermint, I find your enthusiasm somewhat hypocritical.  You don't get bigger than the CCP.

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Quote from: RE on Apr 16, 2025, 10:51 PMThe only thing keeping China's property market from imploding is state intervention on a massive scale.  For somebody who doesn't like big goobermint, I find your enthusiasm somewhat hypocritical.  You don't get bigger than the CCP.
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China being "toast", a decade or so back on the diner, wasn't really presented as a narrow statement, it tended to more inclusive of overall economic decline/demise. "Demise" being more appropriate to the idea of "toast" probably.  Your statement preceded by "the only thing keeping...." is itself an indication that it certainly isn't toast yet for at least one reason, and there could be others that none of our amateur analysis is aware of.

This has great similarity to early 21st century peak oil claims. While many proclaimed peak and the end, others, better understanding of the systems and sciences involved, weren't even breaking a sweat, and were happy to tell folks why. The Chinese seemed to have kept their secret to themselves to date, although us amateurs are certainly allowed to speculate.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 11:16 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 07:02 PMYou seem to be wandering farther afield than I can follow. What is an alphabet soup agency, are you referring to the USGS and Hubbert's work for them?

CIA, DHS, FBI, ICE, etc. Alphabet agency is a common colloquialism, you should be familiar with given they are your federal govt

If you are American, they are yours as well.

Quote from: TDoSDeleting posts certainly has nothing to do with being misleading....it is more like  retrieving the pearls after they've been dropped and no one seems capable of undestanding that they are indeed pearls.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenWhich you would not be dropping for free then, fitting with talking about what easy money it is, posting for some govt entity.

Please can we keep silly conspiracies to a minimum?. I have never in my life posted on behalf of a government agency. Period. You are allowed to hallucinate such things of course, but it isn't true and never has been.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen
Quite aside from being able to deny you said anything people remember you saying, unless you were quoted if everything is deleted.

Well that is true. Good thing I am happy to repeat myself when people remember some snippet and ask me to answer the question again. The good thing about telling the truth though is you don't need to remember what I said, as it is personal experience and I just say it again. Easier for me of course as they are my personal experience, as compared to someone wishing they could actually remember what I said.

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What does 1890 have to do with anything? The first credible "end of oil" was claimed in 1886, so if that claim by JP Lesley is what you're referring to, you are off by a few years.

You didn't mention JP Lesley in your answer to the question when was peak oil, if so many other dates are wrong because the wells didnt all run dry in the given year. I guess if extraction in 1890 exceeded dinosaur 🦕 🦖 decomposition and compression, you would have been right.

I mentioned JP Lesley because you brought up something about peak oil from the distant past, and that is almost as distant as it gets for peak oilers. Any peak oiler worth their salt knows this.

Your representation of the thermogenic process that creates oil and gas is entertaining. And proves a point I often make, how in the HECK is someone to know anything about peak oil when they don't even know where or when it came from, was found, was developed, the kerogen types and all the rest of the geochemistry. They just substitute...DEAD DINOSAURS. tsk tsk. No wonder they got it so wrong a couple decades ago. And in 1990. And 1956. And 1943. And 1936. And 1919. Etc etc, back to JP Lesley.

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If by "legal trouble" you are referring to another incident involving perfectly reasonable defense of ones person using a firearm, again, is self defense not permitted where you live? Because here in America, it is perfectly legal.

You said you were but a teenager when you had to lawyer up and got away by a whisker of going to jail for it. If that is consistent with either incident mentioned today, puzzle solved.

That's the story. I don't talk about it much. Why is it relevant to you? You are now confused as to how someone with such a record could jive with your working for an alphabet soup agency? Can you see what the background check after that exercise would look like?

CIA (circa2005): Man, this guy knows a BUNCH of this peak oil happening tomorrow afternoon oil nonsense, we should hire him to front for us on all those blogs that might reveal the secret that went down in the Twin Towers! Mike Ruppert has exposed us!

(Background check)

CIA: Holy BatCrap! He defended himself resulting in bad news for the other guy! We can't have someone capable of such lawful acts working for our squeaky clean expert division to sow disinformation in no-name internet clubs!

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Given that the Diner no longer exists and therefore there ARE NO POSTS AT ALL, I'm not sure what you're getting at? i simply evacuated the burning building early.

Theres a "legacy portal". RE probably saved the entire contents to microfish and 5" floppy disc so you can use your TRS80's TDOS.  Use  MSDOS for the web portal.

Beyond my computer skills. I'm just an oil guy. K-Dog and RE can experiment all they'd like with old computers and whatnot to keep their history alive as long as they are, I specialize in knowing stuff about oil and gas and the future.

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The pattern of events we see unfolding fits my expectations at least. Ill wager that membership was larger not smaller in 2013 meaning nobody was disappointed on 21/12/2012. 

Without knowing your posting history, and I don't because I have primarily focused on those who didn't know much about the geosciences and apply what they don't know enthusiastically, I'm glad what you expected is happening. Same with me and oil. So it sounds like...WE WIN!

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Quote from: TDoSDamn straight. You want it, you keepit. I didn't even know how bad it was until I went to college. You want to scratch your life out of the dirt in the holler, have at it and enjoy. But don't expect all of us who lived that life to join you once we've escaped. Selling poverty is harder than selling peak oil consequences nowadays, 7 years after it finally happened.

Who does the lasooing then?

I don't know what lasooing is. That thing you do from a horse to catch a cow? Peak oil interest died awhile ago, even before it finally happened in 2018. <yawn> I now work on other aspects of resource development.

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 17, 2025, 07:49 AMChina being "toast", a decade or so back on the diner, wasn't really presented as a narrow statement, it tended to more inclusive of overall economic decline/demise.

My "China is TOAST" tag line is a broad statement that goes beyond just economics to environmental, ecological and social problems as well.



In China, the water you drink is as dangerous as the air you breathe.

These findings come from our new water quality report, which found water pollution levels in China's other major cities are also extremely high. In Beijing, 39.9% of water was so polluted that it was essentially functionless. In Tianjin, northern China's principal port city and home to 15 million people, a mere 4.9% of water is usable as a drinking water source.
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Across China, access to drinkable water is not just a quality of life issue, it's about survival. There have been reports of local authorities digging deeper wells to reach drinkable water, which has become harder to come by as 80% of groundwater from major river basins is "unsuitable for human contact".


The problems with the water have knock on effects extend to the food supply and energy production.   

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/how-chinas-water-challenges-could-lead-global-food-and-supply-chain-crisis

China is on the brink of a water catastrophe that could have devastating consequences for global food security, energy markets and supply chains. The 2022 drought, which mainly impacted China's Sichuan province, offered an uncomfortable preview of what the future could bring if water supplies continue to run dry: Low reservoir levels slashed hydroelectricity output, which in turn forced power rationing to major industrial consumers such as metals and battery producers and electronics assemblers
....

Beijing has the dubious distinction of being the capital of the world's second-largest economy, while having per capita water supplies that have fallen to a level on par with those of cities near Chile's Atacama Desert — the driest place on Earth

Besides the water pollution issues, the air quality problems are legendary.  Pictures are better than words on this one.







While all the industrial countries have demographic problems due to falling birthrates, China's are particularly severe due to the ageing population and the years of the one-child policy, which resulted in a preponderance of male children.

China is far from alone in facing the problem of too many old people and too few young workers to support them. But unlike western nations, it is getting old before it has got rich. The scale of the challenge and the speed at which it is arriving are extraordinary, thanks in large part to the decades of birth restrictions known as the one-child policy. It also means that fewer retirees are able to count on their kids supporting them.

Unlike Western countries which are making up for falling birth rates with immigration, China's population is already shrinking.  This means more retirees and fewer people of working age, for whom there are no jobs anyhow.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-chinas-ageing-population-an-economic-and-social-conundrum

Like the west China has played the extend & pretend game issuing vast quantities of debt much of which doesn't appear on the books because it's contained in the shadow banking system.  Combined with their real estate problem, it lurks in the background and with the global problems being created by Trump's tariff war could jump out of the closet if economic growth stalls.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/business/china-economy-trusts-zhongrong-zhongzhi.html

Now, given the arrival of the Trumperator on the scene in Amerika, in the race to the bottom of the burnt toaster bin, the FSoA may have now edged ahead of China as toast.  The prognosis is not too good for anyone these days.  A grass hut on the beach of Bora Bora has real appeal.



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Last time I checked, it was poor Chinese who were flying across the Pacific and crossing the jungle on foot in the Darien Gap to migrate to Amerika and not poor Amerikans flying to Tibet to crosss the Himalayas on fooot to migrate into China.  It's also rich Chinese buying McMansions to live  as expats in Seattle, not rich Americans buying condos to live as expats in Beijing.  So I'm not sure the Chinese themsellves are quite as impressed by life in China as you seem to be.

I will grant you though that the family structure in China hasn't collapsed as thoroughly as is the case here in the land of good and plenty, and their socialized medical system and care for the elderly is probably better, since it would be hard to do worse on this than here, besides Nigeria and Sudan anyhow.

It's tough to say which side of the pond the toast is smoking more, since the spin down is being handled by such disparate systems.  Solely on the economic level, both countries are so interdependent that it doesn't matter much who toasts first, the other will shortly follow.

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QuoteIt's also rich Chinese buying McMansions to live as expats in Seattle, not rich Americans buying condos to live as expats in Beijing.

I am in their preferred zip code.  As you know.  You have been here.

Citizenship has been for sale for years.

Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 18, 2025, 04:59 PMI am in their preferred zip code.  As you know.  You have been here.

That's why I chose Seattle to use in my example.

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Hating Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League universities is as core to the MAGA credo as being anti-abortion, anti gun control, anti-welfare and anti-queer.  As every good gun toting redneck with the Stars & Bars decorating his pickup truck knows, they are stuffed with elite liberal intellectual commie pinko nigger loving faggots and pedophiles.  Harvard will have a tough time bringing these folks in to support academic freedom with a PR campaign. lol.

Despite the fact that bringing beer swilling Billy Bob 6 Pack on board is unlikely, it is true that Harvard can bring a whole lot of pressure to bear, particularly on the business & legal end.  The bar association would be one place to start, litigating to have Trumps lawyers disbarred for systemic  corruption.  Harvard hedge fund traders could short the living shit out of Trump biznesses, along with a dozen or so Harvard B-school grads running private equity firms.  I'm sure they could get a few theoretical physicists to work up some nasty trading algorithms to predict his market manipulations, he's using tricks that are as old as JP Morgan and Cornelius Vanderbilt to juice and kill stocks.

Anyhow, the big fight is definitely coming.  He's apparently going to try to have Powell sacked as head of Da Fed.  This will not sit well with the Illuminati.  The fun begins.

If Harvard, armor-plated by history and padded with funds, can't beat Trump, no one can

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/18/trump-harvard-university-endowment

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