The men in black are involved.  There is not a lot of direct of talk of it, but Epstein provided a service to intelligence agencies, and we all know it.

You need to send a package you go to UPS.  When the government wanted dirt on someone they went to Epstein.  Now they go to somebody else the same way we order fast food.

Would Epstein have produced a Pedo Trump tape and how hard would it have been to set it all up?


The answers are yes and ez.

Send Epstein a few million tax payer dollars for Epstein to find a girl less than a dozen years old to get the Trump tape made.  Now Trump knows it got made, and that it exists in a government data farm somewhere.  'They' also likely decided to off Epstein but made a pretense of getting Trumps 'approval' first in the first term.  Something else to hang over Trump's head.  Killing your friend looks really bad Donald.  Trump thinks it might come out that he killed Epstein, but all Trump was was a rubber stamp.  The decision had already been made.  I speculate but:

The men in Black actually exist and they have the goods on Trump.  With Trump in charge of their bosses they lie low, while they wait their chance to do whatever mayhem they wish.  The system will defend itself.  Trump is worried.  His shelf life like Epstein's, approaches the end.

QuoteMay every day be another wonderful secret.

The truth is out there.   Way out there!

This does have all the earmarks of a political assassination to take down El Trumpo.  The question is why they waited until now to pull the trigger on it?  Which of his numerous idiocies pissed off the Deeep State enough that they would open this can of worms now?  The Epstein files no doubt have numerous other movers and shakers who might be outted in the process.  Whose tapes will be leaked and whose surpressed?

Trump will no doubt claim any videos are Deep Fakes planted by Biden and the Democrats.  There's going to have to be corroborating testimony and other evidence.  Some other power brokers will have to fall on their swords and testify to make it a bulletproof case.

This looks like great popcorn material for the next year.   

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QuoteThe question is why they waited until now to pull the trigger on it?

Trump signed the big fucked up bill.  He did what he was supposed to do and now Trump is no longer useful.  The bull in the china shop broke what he was supposed to break.  But the intention is not to have all the china broken.  The goal is to smash the bureaucratic state, but not the state which enforces private ownership of public resources.  The goal is to enshitify the working class, but keep the kings men safe.  Trump accomplished that; now Trump gets his Machiavellian reward.  A ruler surrounded by sycophants loses touch with reality, and betrayal awaits. 

As Trump's power wanes loyalties will fray.

Enter Hillbilly Elegy

Trump's served a specific purpose for certain power structures, and now a more controlled J.D. Vance shall be elevated to refine the post Trump republicrat movement.  It is happening like the clockwork in a fine Swiss Watch.  J.D. Vance is a scary unknown, and other than that he is just plain scary.  Trump was set-up with a very young virgin or two, and now with the country hating him for being a PEDO we get a new ants-democratic cheerleader for the upper class.  Enter smokey-eye.

Vance's rise was bankrolled by Peter Thiel, a Silicon Valley end-time fascist, Vance serves tech oligarchs His Senate campaign relied on record-breaking donations from Thiel.  Thiel donated $15 million to his 2022 Senate campaign.  Thiel funded Vance's venture capital firm, Narya Capital.

Be it the best or worst, we get the government that money buys.

Trump's chaos created the space for Vance and Thiel-backed elites to rebuild a state defining material conditions that enforce inequality under a veneer of populism.

Conspiracy of Silence - The Franklin Scandal

It seemed like a perversion with the center in Omaha.

Until the plane crashed, and the FBI showed up to seize evidence.

Deep in the deep state, puppet masters play with blackmail.  And Trump is a worm on their hook.

What does the Franklin scandal have to do with Epstein?  The same people hired them.  So the answer is everything.



The Franklin and Epstein scandals demonstratte a deep-state symbiosis, where power employs blackmail services, provides elite protection, and allows perversion to thrive apparently so they can manipulate the perpetrators.  With so much covered up evidence it is painful to figure it all out.

Trauma & Dissociation in the News An Interview with Nick Bryant: Part I – The Franklin Scandal

As Nick Bryant noted,

"Epstein's black book was déjà vu.  The Epstein affair is the Franklin Scandal template on a global scale"

Until systems holding power accountable are dismantled, such pedo cycles will repeat.  The Franklin and Epstein scandals expose a deep-state symbiosis, where blackmail, elite protection, and institutional inertia allow these perversions to thrive.

The men in black have no restraint.

more info

It looks as though the legal wrangling over Trumbert Trumbert's relationship with Epstein isn't going to reveal very much, certainly not enough to satisfy the talk radio internet speculation regarding his Lolita fetish.  The story has aso slid down the list of breaking newz in the MSM.

This is not surprising given the secrecy that goes with Grand Jury testimony, particularly with sexploitation cases involving minors.  Thing is, the real juicy stuff never gets intpo the courtroom, it's used as leverage in back room deals.  So the speculation will rev up again until something is leaked or some wwitness or victim steps forward and makes an accusation.

Whether one does depends on how serious the Deep State is about assassinating the Trumpophile, or if they merely are just threatening him to bring him to heel.  It's going to take time to see how it goes.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-jeffrey-epstein-grand-jury-justice-department-4634e5afceb8b1bb43f23558dfbb1d6c

Request to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts likely to disappoint, ex-prosecutors say

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Dribbling out the info to keep the talk shows on the hunt...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-epstein-party-women-b2792328.html

Trump once hosted party for 'young women' where Epstein was the only guest, says report

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It's right to go after people, except for himself.  Do even MAGAotts still care about what Obama did or did not do?   Does he really think that will distract anybody from a juicy pedo scandal?  How long can the Speaker keep delaying votes in CONgress?  At some point the rumours willl get so virulent nothing will get done.

Meanwhile, we get the Full Fascist.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fascist-doj-go-after-obama-1235391240/

Trump Goes Full Fascist: 'Whether It's Right or Wrong, It's Time to Go After People'

And CNN's KFile on Tuesday reported new details about Trump's relationship with Epstein, including photos taken at the future president's 1993 wedding to Marla Maples. The pictures pre-date any of Epstein's known legal issues, and the White House described them as out-of-context frame grabs of videos and pictures to "disgustingly infer something nefarious."

When do they leak the pics & vids?  What nefarious deeds will be disgustingly inferred?

But after blasting supporters who worry about the Epstein case as "weaklings," and now going after Obama in his latest attempt at moving the goalposts, it's Trump who is now making it impossible not to ask the question: Why is he so desperate for this to go away?

Why?  That man, the Honorable Donald J. Trump should go right to fucking Jail!  Because the sonofabitch is GUILTY! 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/23/politics/trump-epstein-maxwell-justice-department-analysis

Trump's latest bid to end Epstein storm: Weaponizing the federal government

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QuoteTrump once hosted party for 'young women' where Epstein was the only guest.

If you missed the implication I'll explain.


The Trump family's involvement in businesses intertwined with prostitution and the commodification of women spans three generations, beginning with Donald Trump's grandfather, Friedrich Trump, and continuing through his father, Fred Trump, and Donald Trump himself with his modeling agencies and beauty pageants. Here's a detailed summary:

Friedrich Trump, Donald Trump's grandfather, built the family's initial fortune during the Klondike Gold Rush by operating hotels and restaurants that doubled as brothels in Canada's Yukon territory.  Newspaper ads hinted at private suites for "ladies," and scales were provided to weigh gold dust as payment for services. A Yukon Sun article warned "respectable women" to avoid the hotel due to the "depraved" activities.

Fred, Donals's father avoided overt ties to vice, though his business practices were later scrutinized for racial discrimination and shady dealings.

Donald Trump's businesses revived the commodification of women through modeling agencies, beauty pageants, and associations with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump Model Management: Accused of exploitative practices, including withholding pay and pressuring models into sexualized work.  Miss Universe & Miss USA: Trump owned these pageants from 1996–2015, which were criticized for objectifying women. Multiple contestants reported harassment, including Trump entering dressing rooms unannounced.

So

QuoteTrump once hosted party for 'young women' where Epstein was the only guest.

Demonstrates that Trump was more than a customer.  Beyond doubt.  Trump dabbled in Epstein's bizness.

QuoteTrump once hosted party for 'young women' where Epstein was the only guest.

QuoteDemonstrates that Trump was more than a customer.  Beyond doubt.  Trump dabbled in Epstein's bizness.

Well, here's the thing.  If you suspect child abuse, all states have mandatory reporting requirements for teachers, health care workers, social workers and cops.  A few states require anyone to report.  Even if there isn't a legal obligation, there's a moral obligation.  The problem of course is that just an accusation is enough to destroy a person's life, even if it's untrue.  So you need to be pretty damn sure before you accuse someone.

In Epstein's case though, everybody who knew him and hung out with him knew he was a "creep", obviously including The Donald.  Why ELSE would he hold a party for underage girls and specifically invite Epstein?  This is the crime of pandering which Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of, and Trump was doing the same thing by holding the party.  So whether or not he dipped his wick in any of those girls, if Epstein did then he's guilty of pandering.

Trump will of course claim ignorance of Epstein's proclivities, but is it plausible that he was ignorant and held parties for the girls?  How old were they?  Publicly with Epstein far as I am aware we've only heard about 17 year olds, which people are less revolted by than 15 year olds, less still than 12 year olds.  What was the age range at this party?

At the very least, his failure to report what he must have known was ocurring is morally reprehensible.  It's pretty clear though that not only did he fail to report, he was making these girls available to Epstein.  That's pandering.

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Guilty in a way hard to prove.

Trump involved himself with modeling agencies and beauty pageants.  He put a shield over his dirty activities.  Most people consider beauty pageants benign and modeling agencies can be legitimate business.

Trump shielded himself the same way the men in black use Facebook or Google to surveil us.  One step removed with another commercial step to hide the eventual transfer of data to homeland security severs is likely.  The fantasy of freedom is preserved.

The Trump way of doing things is to pretend to be something other that what Trump is.  Trump pretends to be nice.  Not so much now in his old age, and more and more he just acts like the hateful fuck that he is without any nice guy theater to hide his lies and manipulations.  But historically Trump waits for the right moment and strikes like a snake.  Most of the time it resembles a normal human.  Under the hood it is something else.

His strategy has worked for a very long time.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jul 25, 2025, 06:15 AMGuilty in a way hard to prove.

Trump involved himself with modeling agencies and beauty pageants.  He put a shield over his dirty activities.  Most people consider beauty pageants benign and modeling agencies can be legitimate business.

The Miss Universe pageant is for adult women.  Far as I know he didn't run the kiddie pageants.  Modeling agencies of course handle many aspiring models of all ages, but that doesn't explain why you would have a party with a someone who everyone knew was a cradle robber and invite the kids.  Was alcohol served at the party?

Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, but you would have to be pretty naive to think it was all innocent.  Credibility is very questionable, particularly from a serial liar.

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Miss Teen USA (1997) - Contestants were as young as 15, with some recalling Trump entering their dressing room while they were changing. Mariah Billado (Miss Vermont Teen USA 1997) and others described scrambling to cover themselves when Trump walked in unannounced.  Teen pageants included girls as young as 14–15.  Modeling events he sponsored or judged also involved teens, with allegations of exploitative environments.

Well in that case under the current climate, that just makes him look more guilty.  If the CONgress continues to stall on hearings and a Special Prosecutor isn't appoointed, the Repugnants will lose the midterm elections.  Eventually, they'll get him on obstruction of justice.

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