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From Running out of gas, a Jack Alpert video.

The large white area represents the next century.  Eight billion are here and eight billion more are coming.  By the end of the next century most people perish in the red zone.  And the sliver of green is questionable.

How about the Death Rate in Gaza last month? Ukraine last year? Afghanistan the last decade?  What's the spread, Ted?  How come Elon isn't so worried about the Death Rate?  How come we don't have stories in the MSM focusing on the Death Rate in different countries around the world, and different counties in the FSoA?

Is the red zone coming for you!?

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The large white area represents the next century.  Eight billion are here and eight billion more are coming.  By the end of the next century most people perish in the red zone.  And the sliver of green is questionable.

A reasonable estimate.  600M left is of course very close to the 500M number recommended by the Georgia Guidestones.  Also very close to the Peak Population in the 17th century when the plagues hit.



Assuming the estimates on when the recoverable energy reserves will run dry for the empty tank scenario are correct, that gives us about 75 years left to kill off about 12B people.   If you divide 12B/75, you get 160M people every year between now and 2100.  For reference here, the number of total dead from WWII over about 6 years was:

Battle Deaths    15,000,000
Battle Wounded    25,000,000
Civilian Deaths 45,000,000

for a total of around 85M.  So, starting today, we need about double the total WW2 deaths every single year from now to 2100.  Except of course it's not going to be spread out nice and even like that.  The more years we keep going BAU, the more would have to die every year after BAU is over.  Also though, once BAU is over, the deaths won't spread out nice and even, at some point they will start happening very fast.

THAT is the 12B person question hanging out in this thread, which is WHEN between now and 2100 will the BIG one occur?  When will we get that first really BIG year of deaths?  Not a minor blip like COVID, but a real WHOPPER year, with say even just half the WWII death toll number? Will that come in the next decade while I still have some chance of being alive to see it?  Or is it still 20 or 30 years away?

Inquiring Doomer minds want to know.

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The large white area represents the next century.  Eight billion are here and eight billion more are coming.

Actually, that assumption is already probably wrong, because 8B more coming assumes the fertility and replacement rate of Births remains at least even, but it already is not, and dropping quickly.  So we probably will not bring 8B new Homo Saps into the world between now and 2100.  Even if we only deliver 4B neo-homo buns out of the ovens over the next 75 years, that still means we have a lot of useless eaters to dispose of and recycle into hopefully some more friendly type of organism to the planetary ecosystem.  All those good organic compounds remaining in the lifeless Homo Sap corpses will get eaten by something and the stuff will get redistributed through the food chain in a very equitable socialist fashion as the system rebalances itself.  There will still be plenty of life on the 3rd planet from the sun in 2100, just not a whole lot of the organisms will be sentient.

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This article features a comprehensive set of surveys trying to figure out why the birthrate in the FSoA is declining, which as we all know here is patently obvious overall as being an economic impossibility for Millenials who probably won't be able to afford a McMansion and pay off student loans until their 30s, if ever.  However, the various different survey questions and stats which break this all down are interesting to check out.

The stats have a lot of problems of course, like the attitude about how many kids an ideal family SHOULD have, where about 1/3rd of the Galluup respondents ay 3 or 4.  Yea, OK, but how many families actually HAVE 3 or 4 kids?

So, Elon Musk and the corporate media continue to bemoan this trend, and some Goobermints like Japan and Hong Kong have become SOOO worried that they are offering fairly pathetic financial incenttives for people to have kids, but any real solution to the affordability problem and the depressing future problem any kids you have face is nowhere in sight.  So, you can expect more of these articles to continue popping up as we move forward here in the global population knockdown race, until we finally get a real good famine, plague or war that takes out not 1500 civilian casualties like the latest Issraeli bombing of Palestinians, but 150,000 Taiwanese when the FSoA bombs Taiwan after the Chinese stage a Coup d'Etat, then the Iranians bomb the Israelis and takeout 1.5M Jews...etc.  Then people will stop worrying abouth the birth rate and start worrying about the death rate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/03/millennials-only-children/

Seriously, why aren't millennials having kids?

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Then people will stop worrying about the birth rate and start worrying about the death rate.

Yes, declining birth rates bother the rich.  It is right up there with 'people don't want to work'.

If America needs more, people finding them is NOT HARD.

Equity is never a consideration when rich people talk about the declining birth rate.  Money causes them to err in thinking.  Excess people will let Musk lower wages.  That produces more starving people in need, but the rich get richer.

If Musk earns $1 from every person working in a Musk enterprise, should the people he employs double then he earns twice as much.  Musk lips move, but his dollars do his talking. 

Another thing money says is that a rising tide lifts all boats.  Which is something only a moron would actually say were money not doing the talking.  Money talks.  This is proof.  Think about it.  Money does not think about leaky boats, but anyone with a brain would.

Yearnings for endless growth on a finite planet results in verbal diarrhea from a man who can buy as much personal space as he wants.

 

Musk's home country has a few people to spare too.

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Seriously, why aren't millennials having kids?

Who can afford to?  An average home in America is over $500K.  At $25 an hour it will take ten years to earn that much.  Add terms of a mortgage on that, and more than half of what a man earns goes into the house for thirty years.

There is enough left over for one dog. And not a big one.

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Seriously, why aren't millennials having kids?

Who can afford to?  An average home in America is over $500K.  At $25 an hour it will take ten years to earn that much.  Add terms of a mortgage on that, and more than half of what a man earns goes into the house for thirty years.

There is enough left over for one dog. And not a big one.

Forget the dog.

A $500000 mortgage with a 10% down payment (from your generous boomer parents?) of $50,000 on a 30 year mortgage with interest rate of 7.72% gives you 360 monthly payments of $3214 each.  Total cost to you over 30 years?  $1,115.040.  Your gross earnings if you make $50K/year for 30 years?  $1.5M.  Thus leaving you about $385K, or about $1100/mo.  Then you have everything else.

Everything else: income tax, heat, electricity, water, waste removal, internet, cell phone, car loan, car insurance, gas, food.

Clearly, he's outta cash by the time he gets through the first 4 on that list, if he even makes it that far.  He never goes out to the movies or a concert or even to a fast food restaurant.  No vacations, ever.  Forget kids, he can't afford the wife, he can't even afford to date someone to ask to marry. lol.

Not to mention, a 10% downpayment is insufficient for a 7.72% mortgage rate, that takes a standard 20% DP.  Doubtful your Boomer parents have a $100K layiing around to hand you as a gift, after the giftss they gave you to pay for college.  Wait...did I forget your Student Loan payments?  lol.

Now, obviously said prospective family man needs his salary to start jacking up from his starting pay of $25/hr, but in today's gig economy, how many of those job are out there?

Of course though, this isn't the 1950s with June Cleaver staying home while Ward goes to work, mom works also, so now you're at $100K, and one of you has a 2nd job for another 20 hrs/week, call it family income of $125K, you might squeak it out if you never get sick and have to go to the doctor, or miss work for 10 days because you got Covid.  Wait... did I forget medical insurance?  roflmaopimp.

The whole bizness is so FUBAR I'm amazed anybody is having any kids at all.  It's just insane.

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North to Alaska? 

Newzflash:  They're not migrating this way.

The new Alaska population estimate, 736,556, is the highest since 2018, but the state continues to have more people moving out than moving in, and 2022 marked the 10th consecutive year of negative net migration,

Nevertheless, we have a housing shortage.

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The whole bizness is so FUBAR I'm amazed anybody is having any kids at all.  It's just insane.

Musk is, and I doubt he is done.

Who are Elon Musk's kids and their mothers?











It is called Conspicuous consumption

In sociology and in economics, the term conspicuous consumption describes and explains the consumer practice of buying and using goods of a higher quality, price, or in greater quantity than practical. 

All to show you are top dog. 

In the case of Amber Heard the 'consuming of goods of a higher quality' is questionable.  To his credit Musk did not loose any fingers.

But pop pop fizz fizz, oh what a consumer Musk is.

I have not been an angel in my life, and Musk has not done anything that many young men without life experience might not do.  That be true.  But Musk is 52.  And all the kids are hardly older than sperm.  Youth is wasted on the young, and money is wasted on the rich. 

Here's the full list of Elon Musk's children.

• Nevada Alexander Musk (late)
• Griffin Musk (Twin)
• Xavier Musk (Twin)
• Kai Musk (Triplet)
• Saxon Musk (Triplet)
• Damian Musk (Triplet)
• X AE A-XII Musk
• Exa Dark Sideræl Musk

But I am confused, some sources say 11 kids.

Regardless, it is a crime against humanity.  Sort of.

And a crime against the kids 4 sure!  Musk has how much time to be a quality dad?  To be any kind of dad?  To even know what the fuck it means to be a dad?

The answer none and no.

Maybe he can hire a few dads to do the parenting he can't do?

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The whole bizness is so FUBAR I'm amazed anybody is having any kids at all.  It's just insane.

Musk is, and I doubt he is done.

Granted as true, but I really wasn't including the .0001% class of Global Billionaires through the .01 class of people worth $20M or so with an annual income of say $1M.

As far as Musk's conspicuous consumption of trophy mothers for his spawn goes, at least he seems to employ them sequentially and keep them around for an average of 3-5 years each before trading them in for a newer model.  Basically the same frequency you would expect to trade in your used Tesla car for the latest model.  Trump actually maintained his wives for around 15-20 years each through plastic surgery and regular lube jobs and engine maintenance.

This sort of behavior has always been the case with rich men, who before they are usually finished with showing off their power in their 70s have accumulated 4 or 5 ex-wives and the accompanying alimony payments, kept manageable through the careful use of pre-nups drawn up by their team of lawyers.  Some aren't even finished in their 70s, Al Pacino recently fathered another child at the age of 82.

In Western culture, this sort of sequential monogamy is the acceptable method for elite class men to display their power.  Middle Eastern and Asian cultures have long had the Harem as the preferred method, where a powerful Sheik or Sultan or Maharajah could have 100 wives and concubines running around his household to choose from on a given night.  Said men who use the shotgun method of sreading out their sperm can have children measuring in the hundreds.

Far as parenting goes, the British method of Boarding Schools is preferred, where the kids are sent off at age 6 or so for 1st Grade, continue through Eton for HS, then university at Cambridge.  The only time dad ever sees his kids id during summer vacations and Holidays.  Nannies cover the job from infancy until school age, so mom is free for her daily tasks of wandering around to charities and evening parties on the yacht, until she is replaced and has her nice alimony check to continue hanging around elite class social events and either marry another billionaire if she is a real hot ticket like a Za Za Gabor, or she has a sequence of boy toys to stay happy, having succeeded using her looks to make it up to the elite class in her teens or 20s.

Regardless how many kids these women pop out of their very expensive vaginas, because there are so few of these folks gobally, it's not enough to even keep up the necessary population of 500M called for by the Georgia Guidestones, which is why Elon Musk is in such a tizzy.  His 11 future Elite rulers won't have anyone to populate the servant's quarters and they'll have to do their own laundry and make their own beds.  If only the Masters reproduce and the Slaves don't, the Masters have to become their own Slaves.

OH! THE HORROR!

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It gets better!

In this article, as the new Leader and Influencer in the world of Billionaire Elites, Elon has moved into the limelight as the Greta Thunberg of the Natalist Movement to Save the World from Depopulation by encouraging his fellow Billionaires to join him in regular procreation with as many Supermodels as possible.

Musk has also pushed other wealthy tech entrepreneurs to have children.

"Contrary to what many think, the richer someone is, the fewer kids they have. I am a rare exception. Most people I know have zero or one kid", Musk wrote on Twitter in May 2022.

Insider would later report that a source who worked closely with Musk said the tech billionaire was "very serious" about the idea that wealth is directly correlated with IQ.

The individual also claimed that Musk had urged "all the rich men he knew" to have as many kids as humanly possible.

That concept has steadily permeated throughout Silicon Valley, drawing substantial criticism.

The adoption of natalism among the wealthy elite appears to stem from the longtermism craze that permeated Silicon Valley in the 2010s.

The article goes on to discuss the various quasi-eugenics arguments equating wealth with intelligence, and efforts by some venture capitalits to fund projects for lengthening the lifespan and selecting quality children as embryos.

The whole bizness breaks down however due to the numbers problem, because there simply are not enough Billionaires and Supermodels around to keep world population numbers up enough to buy all the Teslas that have to be sold for Elon to pay his corporate debt coupons.  Once the banks stop rolling over the debt, Tesla goes BK and Elon will have to take his 50 kids and dozen supermodels on a rocket to Mars before it gets repoed.

You can't make this shit up.  The world has become a South Park episode.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/pro-natalist-elon-musk-warnings-humanity-movement-tech-billionaires

What is a pro-natalist? Elon Musk's warnings to humanity underpin a growing movement among tech billionaires

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Insider would later report that a source who worked closely with Musk said the tech billionaire was "very serious" about the idea that wealth is directly correlated with IQ.

Right, and here I am enjoying lunch in my limo. With my 'Grey Poupon'.  I cut my hair.

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Nick Bostrom(ON THE LEFT) is, first of all, one of the most prominent transhumanists of the 21st century so far. Transhumanism is an ideology that sees humanity as a work in progress, as something that we can and should actively reengineer, using advanced technologies like brain implants, which could connect our brains to the Internet, and genetic engineering, which could enable us to create super-smart designer babies. We might also gain immortality through life-extension technologies, and indeed many transhumanists have signed up with Alcor to have their bodies (or just their heads and necks, which is cheaper) frozen after they die so that they can be revived later on, in a hypothetical future where that's possible. Bostrom himself wears a metal buckle around his ankle with instructions for Alcor to "take custody of his body and maintain it in a giant steel bottle flooded with liquid nitrogen" after he dies.


Francis Galton(ON THE RIGHT) Charles Darwin's cousin, derived the term "eugenics" from the Greek word eugenes, meaning "good in birth" or "good in stock." Galton first used the term in an 1883 book, "Inquiries into Human Fertility and Its Development."
But:

No doubt Nick has received his free Tesla.  Musk does that.  Probably an excellent way to get laid.   Survival of the richest.  Spin Darwin spin.

But it will take more than genius to bring the Garden of Eden to a nuclear wasteland.  And even more to make the deserts of Mars bloom where there is no air.  But who knows?  Money is certainly selectively breading itself.  So can we predict a future?  Will money breed itself into a force for good or will it develop genetic illness the way lessons from actual reality demonstrate.

Hemophilia? Or like King James I of England, who until he was five struggled to walk without help. Hereditary disease.  He shared frail thin legs with his father and one of his sons. The Pharaohs of Egypt also had big genetic physical issues.  The Hapsburg lip.  It goes on.  The history of humanity is rife with examples which directly contradict the tenets of longtermism.  Longtermism seems to be the intellectual product of a Silicon Valley wide Dunning Kruger effect.  Musk actually demonstrates the intellectual effects of inbreeding.  Strange mentation, and his physical appearance looks to be the result of it.  I wonder?  Thankfully not too much.

In a paper co-authored with his colleague at the Future of Humanity Institute (Musk donates), Carl Shulman, Bostrom explored the possibility of engineering human beings with super-high IQs by genetically screening embryos for "desirable" traits, destroying those that lack these traits, and then growing new embryos from stem cells, over and over again. They found that by selecting one embryo out of 10, creating 10 more out of the one selected, and repeating that process 10 times over, scientists could create a radically enhanced person with IQ gains of up to 130 points.

Does this Bostrom dude know we are running out of the energy to fund his grand masturbatory fantasies?

I THINK NOT

Musk and his lizard people will not save the world.

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Did you notice that in Elon's list of progeny thus far, he has one set of twins and one set of triplets?

Under normal circumstances, the chance of twins is 1 in 250.  Triplets?  1 in 6889.  To have both in 2 pregnancies?  1/250x6889/2.  About 1 in 861125.  So tell me,  You think Elon is just real lucky here in his quest to single handedly repopulate the earth?  Of course not.

Elon is clearly dosing his supermodel baby factories with fertility drugs.

Count on some Musk Quintuplets popping out of some expensive vagina in the near future.

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The ultimate dystopian logical conclusion of the Natalist imperative: We must encourage reproduction by any and all means possible.  Answer here is not the Elon Musk method of encouraging global billionaires to fuck as many A-list vaginas as possible after pumping them full of fertility drugs, but rather to pursue a state run program of absolute equality in procreation by Industrializing it.

hahahahahahahahahaha

Forget for a moment the contradiction that industrialization of anything fosters absolute equality.  That is so ridiculous it's not even worth refuting.  The closest we can come to industrializing the reproduction of any animals is with Chickens, and that's only because the fertilized eggs mature outside the hen's body so they can be dropped into incubators.All mammals, even mice and rabbits which have lots of babies fairly often need a mommy mouse or bunny to grow inside of, Elon Musk or my old friend Eric Lander haven't yet devised an artificial womb inside of which you could grow a fetus to maturity and birthing.  That shit is entirely in the realm of science fiction, but as a means to whip up fear it's certainly a good tool to use here.

You can't even take a human fetus, implant it in a pig uterus and have the pig carry it to term.  You couldn't even do it with a close relative like a chimpanzee, which are even more in danger of extinction than homo saps anyhow.

About the only way to pursue a compulsory procreation paradigm for a society would be to forcibly impregnate women, remove all access to abortion and then set up state or private run institutions to raise the kids up from birth to working age.  This system has a long history, it is called SLAVERY and its certainly a plausible outcome, except for one small problem.  You have to have enough FOOD and HOUSING for the slaves, and you have to finance the CHILD CARE institutions to bring them up to working age as something better than a Ritalin addicted, illiterate X-box athletes.

I doubt the Chinese will industrialize procreation, and I doubt they will try slavery either.  They may try to further incentivize procreation through direct payments and tax breaks, but in order to be effective the CCP will need to cough up substantially more Renminby.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4299666-chinas-dystopian-population-goals-forced-procreation-and-industrialized-births/

China's dystopian population goals: forced procreation and 'industrialized births'

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